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Judge faults security procedures (in Atlanta massacre)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 3.13.05 | STEVE VISSER

Posted on 03/13/2005 6:31:58 AM PST by mhking

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To: kdot
Why would you increase the number of deputies but denude them of their power? I don't get it. Increase the number, fully arm them and increase their ability to take down a prisoner.

As I understand it, while he's being processed, a prisoner is supposed to always be under enough physical restraint (handcuffs, shackles, or both) that a Taser, Mace, or a baton will be sufficient to control them no matter what they attempt to do.

21 posted on 03/13/2005 6:59:42 AM PST by Bob
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To: mhking

Finally a judge speaking the truth to power in Atlanta ...


22 posted on 03/13/2005 7:00:06 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: eccentric
we'll know if and when they release the security tapes

If you are talking about security tapes of the parking complex - There is no need - I just saw an interview with the police commander and he admits "no, they didn't search the parking complex, they thought he had left it" -

Which again just mind boggles me - All day we saw hundreds of cops basically looking to "get on camera" instead of doing their jobs! - How the hell don't you search the very complex this man was last seen in!! - Who knows, there could have been more victims within this complex.

Police screw things up and then go on TV insisting on what a "great job they did" - It really makes you wonder about the whole judicial system when it is this quality of people (who will basically lie instead of being up front about a screw up) - These are the same people we are all trusting with evidence, etc -

Yet they will spin and lie as quickly as dropping a dime if they think it will cover their as$es -

23 posted on 03/13/2005 7:01:13 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: mhking

I blame feminism and political correctness for throwing common sense out the window.


25 posted on 03/13/2005 7:02:20 AM PST by ShandaLear (Vindication in mine, sayeth the Dubya!)
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To: mhking

Finally, some sanity in the discussion.


26 posted on 03/13/2005 7:02:51 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: L98Fiero

No, you said the judge was responsible for his own death. That's what got you flamed.


27 posted on 03/13/2005 7:06:34 AM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: mhking

Neil Boortz must be going wild- he's always talking about the way Atlanta is run.

If I heard Freeman say ONE more time how he'd only been on the job a couple of months I thought I'd have to buy a new tv. These men are grown-ups, it's time the citizens of Atlanta hold them to account.


28 posted on 03/13/2005 7:09:09 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: kdot

No he is actually right. You do not go into close quarters with a weapon, the prisoner may be well capable of taking it away. (This guy was a martial arts expert as well as being in excellent shape and in his prime.)
(1) No weapons when transporting to the courtroom,
(2) not alone, but with backup officers, also not armed
(3) series of restraints never off
(4)physical capabilities of a GI
(5) In the courtroom, armed deputy at sufficient distance to draw his weapon before the prisoner can escape of endanger others.

As far as second guessing, bring it on. When Lockheed Martin employees screwed up and dropped a 10 million dollar satellite while picking it up, heads rolled. This should happen here as well.


29 posted on 03/13/2005 7:10:16 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Peach
To all who criticize the police work and security procedures, please understand that you are making the defense for the perpetrator. He was upset and unbalanced, and the Atlanta police and justice system didn't make adequate provisions for his safety.

Hind sight is 20/20. As soon as Nichols attacked the deputy its all on him. The death penalty is the only proper result from this incident. Atlanta has been securing prisoners with armed deputies for many years and it was a good enough system until Mr Nichols took things into his own hands.

Yes, improve the security, but not until after Nichols is properly executed for his crimes.
30 posted on 03/13/2005 7:17:38 AM PST by photodawg
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To: mhking
Although there will be a hugh and cry for money to be thrown at this obvious "problem", much like the NEA and their enablers bellow for more "blood" fom the tax payers, this is not a money problem.

Plain and simple rules of conduct, outlining the procedures that shall be adhered to by all persons, as pertaining to the transportation and handling of prisoners, needs to be developed and instituted.

No police officer, anywhere in this country arrests a simple, non-violent, drunken driver without handcuffing him/her, behind their back, prior to transporting.

31 posted on 03/13/2005 7:17:55 AM PST by G.Mason ("I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure" - Clarence Darrow)
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To: mhking

...faulty security.

GEE, ya think? (directed at the article, not the poster)


33 posted on 03/13/2005 7:41:29 AM PST by JSloth
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To: G.Mason
No police officer, anywhere in this country arrests a simple, non-violent, drunken driver without handcuffing him/her, behind their back, prior to transporting.

This only makes common sense ... but unmentioned in this article is the fact that the law requires that the perp cannot be brought into the courtroom wearing handcuffs because this would not be fair to the perp. The law, obviously, is an ass.

34 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:02 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: DevSix

No, we need to see the security tapes from the courthouse and holding area. Or is security so lax that they don't even have THAT much of a workable system?


35 posted on 03/13/2005 7:42:49 AM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: photodawg
Yes, improve the security, but not until after Nichols is properly executed for his crimes.

So, the good people of Atlanta should wait 10 years or more until this POS is dead before they make any changes?

36 posted on 03/13/2005 7:54:01 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: photodawg
Yes, improve the security, but not until after Nichols is properly executed for his crimes.

Oh, yeat, great idea. Let's make sure some more people get killed./sarcasm off.

Never cover up this kind of crap for any reason. these people are a joke. Leaving off restraints, one deputy( never mind she was a small female, one deputy is stupid even if the deputy was huge)armed, all of these are stupidity at its finest and I will agree with the guy who said the judge helped cause this and helped bring on his own death. The judge could have stood up to this kind of PC BS and demanded that prisoners be shackled (dangerous ones) when brought into the court room.

It all adds up to incompetence of the highest order and I haven't even started on how stupid they were after the prisoner escaped!

37 posted on 03/13/2005 8:01:14 AM PST by calex59
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
One 130 pound female deputy in control of a 260 pound male who is facing ten years in prison. You figure it out.

Wow, 20 posts go by before you pointed this out.

38 posted on 03/13/2005 8:07:11 AM PST by demlosers (We win. They lose. USA number 1 !)
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To: mhking
current policy guidelines allow a single deputy to escort as many as four prisoners at a time, and allows a solitary deputy to enter a holding cell with a prisoner. >

Now that's just crazy right there.

39 posted on 03/13/2005 8:08:50 AM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: mhking

There are all kinds of reasons that Police Men were once called that -- and all weighed two-hundred pounds and were six-feet tall.

And this assinine bloody atrocity illustrates only one of them.


40 posted on 03/13/2005 8:09:56 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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