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What's in a Symbol? If Only Harry Knew
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, March 13, 2005 | By Erica Wagner

Posted on 03/13/2005 5:21:42 AM PST by NZerFromHK

LONDON

The other night, as I left the theater, I saw a woman wearing a fur hat. Some people, of course, don't like the sight of fur; I'm not one of them. But I noticed the badge on the front of her hat: a red and gold hammer and sickle. No doubt about it, she looked striking: the glittering, graphically coherent symbol set off by the soft shine of the fur. Yet it made me wonder what she had been thinking when she acquired her post-Communist trophy.

Why, I wondered, is Communist chic acceptable, when -- as Prince Harry's swastika-wearing debacle reminds us -- "Nazi chic" simply doesn't exist? It is, in fact, so taboo that there has recently been serious debate in Europe as to whether to ban the swastika throughout the European Union, a debate that risked making the symbol suddenly subversively chic.

Symbols are forms of expression but -- even more than words -- they can mean many different things. What was the meaning of that hat? Perhaps: "I am well traveled; I have been to faraway lands and returned with souvenirs." Perhaps: "I have a sense of irony. I am aware that this hammer and sickle was once a symbol of oppression; now the people behind the Iron Curtain are free and Communist finery is being bought and sold by capitalist opportunists."

But if you had been a victim of Soviet oppression, of a regime that murdered 20 million people and more, you might not view the appearance of that hat with such equanimity. It might not be merely a silent symbol; it might split your inner ear like a shriek, or strike you like a blow.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: britain; england; greatbritain; harrythenazi; nazi; princeharry; scotland; sickleandhammer; swastika; uk; unitedkingdom; wales
I'm sorry that I don't think I'm allowed to post the entire article. Surprisingly decent and reasonable commentary from a US MSM, until I notice that the author Erica Wagner is from the Times of London, which is a centrist paper.

For discussion.

1 posted on 03/13/2005 5:21:43 AM PST by NZerFromHK
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To: NZerFromHK
Spot on!

The MSM always wants to point out how evil Hitler was, and he was, but never wants to mention the millions that Stalin killed while he was in power.

2 posted on 03/13/2005 5:31:39 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Northern Yankee
What's really interesting is that the ADL considers this:

A hate symbol.

Frankly - I'd LOVE a T-Shirt with this emblazoned upon it.

3 posted on 03/13/2005 5:39:50 AM PST by bikepacker67 (#)
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To: NZerFromHK

Our Harry doesn't understand either. (Dirty Harry)


4 posted on 03/13/2005 5:41:04 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: NZerFromHK
Some guys I've known that served as guards along the Berlin Wall used to trade raunchy magazines and smokes with the Rooskie and East German guards for belts, hats and other uniform accroutrements.

I could never get one of these guys to give up any articles. The USSR Army belt buckle was very ornate and striking with the red star and sickle/hammer inlay on brass.

5 posted on 03/13/2005 5:43:13 AM PST by woofer
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To: NZerFromHK

OH, sorry, wrong cymbol......(tsk tsk tsk)

6 posted on 03/13/2005 5:44:32 AM PST by ThreePuttinDude (= Dems talk about the mess..,,, We fix the mess...=)
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To: NZerFromHK
It is dangerous to forbid "Huckleberry Finn" in the classroom because it contains the word "nigger."

It's obvious that Twain used the word for two reasons. One, because he was a careful writer and took pains to reproduce the actual language of a place and time. It is obvious that the word carried no connotation, it was the only word used in common speech to refer to Blacks in that time and place. Two, he used the term with deep and subtle irony. The Black characters in Tom Sawyer are portrayed more sympathetically than those who feel they are their natural betters.

7 posted on 03/13/2005 5:56:10 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: NZerFromHK
The meaning of the Symbol is always left to who is interpreting it. In defense of Harry, he was dressing to win a prize at a tasteless Costume party, obviously his costume was the most tasteless. Did he win a prize for his costume?

My Father-in-law, who served in World War 2, as a Col. with the third Army, bequeated to my daughter a Nazi Banner, that was given to him, by his men as they took a particular Nazi Village. The Nazi Banner remains in a box in the back of a closet and never sees the light of day. I don't think we could show that Nazi banner to anyone without raising an eyebrow and a full explanation of why we have it.

I really do think Harry was over persecuted over his lack of taste, at a tasteless Costume Party, but that is just me.

8 posted on 03/13/2005 5:59:44 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word By Randall Kennedy Pantheon Books, 2002 Reviewed by Robert Anthony Watts

Watched Randall Kennedy on C Span talk about his book, it was very interesting. Suppose there should now be one on the use of the word "nazi" , because it has also being used inappropriately and has lost it's original meaning to the younger generation.

9 posted on 03/13/2005 6:16:43 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( The Year of Freeping Dangerously)
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To: NZerFromHK
How some people can get worked up over a symbol is beyond me...

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10 posted on 03/13/2005 6:50:15 AM PST by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: NZerFromHK

Stalin caused the death of 150 million Ukrainians.


11 posted on 03/13/2005 7:00:22 AM PST by hershey
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To: Northern Yankee
The MSM always wants to point out how evil Hitler was, and he was, but never wants to mention the millions that Stalin killed while he was in power.

It wasn't only Stalin; Lenin had his millions too. They made the Nazis look like Boy Scouts.

12 posted on 03/13/2005 7:01:11 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: NZerFromHK

A few years ago, I got a glossy catalog in the mail from one of those companies selling PBS/BBC program tapes and gifts. They were also selling surplus Soviet Army uniforms.

The affluent woman wearing the hammer-and-sickle symbol isn't much different than the current crop of fashion victims wearing mass-market Che Guevara T-shirts.


13 posted on 03/13/2005 10:18:08 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (How do you spell dynasty? P-A-T-R-I-O-T-S!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Actually, Lonesome, Twain's use of "nigger" denoted one who was landless, of low economic station, and seldom regularly employed.

A contrast from the era would be 'darky' or 'colored folk' denoting someone considered more reliable and trustworthy. "Negro and Negress" were almost taxonomic terms, but could define anyone of the race up to octaroon (1/8th Negro).

Twain brought out subtle prejudices in Puddinhead Wilson, and had a go at 'nature vs. nurture' at the same time. You probably will not find that book in any High School library, but I reccommend reading it just the same.

14 posted on 03/13/2005 10:28:33 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (I work with computers too much to let one run my car!)
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To: Northern Yankee
The MSM always wants to point out how evil Hitler was, and he was, but never wants to mention the millions that Stalin killed while he was in power.

They never really mention Tse-Tung Mao either...

15 posted on 03/13/2005 12:48:27 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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To: solitas; Northern Yankee
Nor do they mention Pol Pot. I just loved the end of "The Killing Fields" where the //cough hack// hero blames the murder of millions on, not the Cambodian Communist, but instead the US of A. Yes folks it is our fault Pol Pot murdered millions upon millions of their own people. Is it any wonder even the invasion by Communist Vietnam was a welcome relief.

None are so blind as those who will not see.
16 posted on 03/13/2005 1:33:27 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
They made the Nazis look like Boy Scouts.

Ya know... my father used to say the same thing, and I almost put that down as well.

17 posted on 03/13/2005 4:21:00 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: Mark in the Old South
None are so blind as those who will not see.

Exactly right!

18 posted on 03/13/2005 4:22:19 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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