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These Irish eyes are smiling at White House snub of IRA
Chicago Sun Times ^ | March 13, 2005 | MARK STEYN

Posted on 03/13/2005 3:19:42 AM PST by elhombrelibre

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To: edskid

He gave us the Ford Falcon.


41 posted on 03/13/2005 6:16:16 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: prairiebreeze

In hindsight, the '90s were the apogee of terrorist mainstreaming, with Yasser and Gerry given greater access to the White House than your average prime minister of a friendly middle-rank power. And in return for what? Nothing other than the corrosive impact on weak-willed Westerners desperate to believe that all terrorists can somehow be accommodated if you just roll out the red carpet for them. Witness Robert McNamara, the Kennedy/Johnson defense secretary who popped up last week with a particularly fatuous observation even by his own standards: As Associated Press reported, ''McNamara added that the threat of terrorists using a nuclear device could be reduced if the United States in particular tried to understand terrorists' anger and motivations.''

A Steyn ping.


42 posted on 03/13/2005 6:23:47 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
And I might forgive him the Ford Falcon, should I live long enough. But then there was the early M16, the F-111...
43 posted on 03/13/2005 6:31:05 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: edskid

He was a Whiz Kid from Ford, elevated by JFK. Kennedy should've known better, but he'd spent his whole life in government service.


44 posted on 03/13/2005 6:35:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: elhombrelibre

I'm thrilled to death he did this. I've always thought the two wings, political and terrorist, was an improbable definition. It's like believing there are two wings to Hizbollah or Hamas.


45 posted on 03/13/2005 6:44:39 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Peach

When Steyn mentions the average PM of a friendly middle power, he's talking about Canada. I believe Steyn is Canadian by birth too, and he's unsurprisingly reviled by many up here. I must say that our last couple of Prime Ministers have earned zero hospitality in Washington, though.


46 posted on 03/13/2005 7:20:02 AM PST by Joey Silvera
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To: elhombrelibre

bump for later. Good on Bush for not having the murderer Gerry Adams in the White House.


47 posted on 03/13/2005 7:21:23 AM PST by jocon307
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To: aculeus
Here's recent comments from the Swimmer and Peter King.

Adams will meet congressmen and senators but he can expect harsh words from some. Senator Edward Kennedy, a leading supporter of Irish nationalism, said: “There is no place for a paramilitary organisation and criminal activity in a democratic political party, and I will tell Gerry Adams that.”

Congressman Peter King, Adams’s biggest ally on Capitol Hill and a personal friend, added: “The time has come for the IRA to disband . . . I think Adams is focusing too much on preventing a split and can’t see the forest for the trees.”

US turns its back on Sinn Fein

FWIW...

48 posted on 03/13/2005 7:44:40 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Call 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: Happygal
It's a pity that there are still so many (yes, even on FR) who look upon the Northern Ireland 'situation' with some throw-back romanticism.

I couldn't agree more. Saw some of that "They're patriots" crap on a Sinn Fein thread last night, disgusting.

49 posted on 03/13/2005 7:47:01 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Call 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: Peach

Thank you for this ping. Better pass out the barf bags regarding McNamaras idiotic and inferiority-complex ridden comments.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 7:49:53 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Call 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
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To: Madame Dufarge

He may not meet him publicly, but I would bet they meet.


51 posted on 03/13/2005 8:38:44 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: prairiebreeze
FWIW...

Time will tell, but I don't trust anything about King.

52 posted on 03/13/2005 11:34:51 AM PST by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: elhombrelibre; Happygal; Colosis; slane; aculeus; Incorrigible; Do not dub me shapka broham
The inimitable Mr. Steyn speaks to the subject of the IRA and gets it right.

Him and Ireland's Eoghan Harris!

53 posted on 03/13/2005 2:02:49 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (PIRA, CIRA, RIRA - separate leadership, common membership)
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To: prairiebreeze; All

Good link prairie. Here's a bit from the article:

"The hat may be discreetly passed round to cover expenses at this week’s events, but there will be no entry charge. Some backers may also feel the £26.5m raid on the Northern Bank in Belfast just before Christmas, for which the IRA has been blamed, makes the need for funds less urgent."

LOL, ya think?


54 posted on 03/13/2005 2:17:52 PM PST by jocon307
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To: elhombrelibre
Well, where were the bloody Yanks the last 30 years? Passing round the collection box for IRA donations in the bars of Boston and New York, that's where.''

Too true. Several years ago I was having brunch with friends at a popular Irish restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia (which, for those of you not from the area, is just a stone's throw across the Potomac from Washington DC). A movable screen had been used to partition our near-empty section of the dining room from other areas used for meetings, which meant that we could clearly hear, but not see, people nearby having a meeting. It was apparent that the meeting was of a group of Irish-American IRA supporters. We gasped in horror as we heard them quarreling, and one of them raised his voice to shout, "Last time ye didn't use enough C4, ye fool, and all ye did was blow the locomotive off the tracks--no one got killed at all!"

It has also long been said that the popular Capitol Hill bar The Dubliner is owned by the IRA as well. Many is the night we have all seen Teddy Kennedy there, swilling away.

55 posted on 03/13/2005 10:05:56 PM PST by Capriole (I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
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To: Capriole

I have no doubt that the organizers of these "charitable" fund raisers for NORAD or for the prisoners relief fund or whatever know full well the money goes for bombs and such. There complicity is of a different magnitude.


56 posted on 03/13/2005 10:09:20 PM PST by elhombrelibre (How many days has it been since John Kerry said he'd sign an SF 180?)
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To: elhombrelibre; Capriole

I'm quite (pleasantly) surprised by the responses on this thread. I have watched American opinions to the IRA, both left and right, over the years and the thing that struck me is that there are many why are otherwise conservative suddenly go on like Noam "Why Do They Hate You?" Chomsky when Northern Ireland comes up.

It's quite pleasing to see none of such posts on this thread. The power of Steyn's words, or because they have now woken up?


57 posted on 03/14/2005 2:34:02 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK
Well, it's because of several things, I'd say. Sep 11 changed the way folks need to look at terrorism. The IRA never changed. Bush's leadership helps. Irish-American politicians are aware that the Irish Republic is fed up and at its wits end with the IRA. Clinton bent over backward to try to get peace, and the IRA acted like Arafat. The burglary of 50 million dollars, the world's largest, didn't help the IRA's image. This recent murder turned many. This shooting of people threw their hands to make it look like the wounds of someone on the cross shows the IRA for the sickos they are. The list really goes on and on.
58 posted on 03/14/2005 2:49:33 AM PST by elhombrelibre (How many days has it been since John Kerry said he'd sign an SF 180?)
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To: elhombrelibre

Thanks, that's the drift I caught as well. I grew up in Hong Kong and under the British colonial government it was natural we saw a lot about Northern Ireland. I had never been sympathetic to the IRA years before 9/11 from news coverage - in fact, I treat them in the same cloth as the PLO or ETA or Hamas.

We also have many Irish descents in New Zealand - former Prime Minister Jim Bolger was one example. And there has never been any sympathy for the IRA from these Irish descent New Zealanders. It was different for Americans with Irish ancestors or who don't but weren't well informed.


59 posted on 03/14/2005 3:02:02 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: NZerFromHK

Also, it seems there is a cultural divide among the Irish in the US. I'd say the dumbest ones about the IRA are those geographically closest, if you know what I mean.


60 posted on 03/14/2005 3:27:12 AM PST by elhombrelibre (How many days has it been since John Kerry said he'd sign an SF 180?)
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