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Judge: Christian frat can ban homosexuals
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43170 ^ | March 5, 2005

Posted on 03/12/2005 11:27:57 PM PST by John Lenin

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

But university president still supporting 'non-discrimination policy'

A federal court has ordered the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to reinstate a Christian fraternity which had been denied recognition because its officers refused to sign the university's nondiscrimination policy requiring the group to allow homosexuals to join.

The preliminary injunction, issued by U.S. District Court Judge Frank W. Bullock Junior, will permit Alpha Iota Omega access to student funds and university facilities, like other fraternities on campus. The order will remain in force until the issue of compliance with the university's policy against discrimination is settled, most likely in court.

"This is the first battle in the lawsuit, and we are victorious in that sense," said Joshua Carden, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, the Arizona-based organization representing the fraternity.

Alpha Iota Omega was formed six years ago for the purpose of "providing leadership and outreach to the campus Greek community through evangelism and mentorship."

As reported by WorldNetDaily, the fraternity had made numerous attempts to convince the university to change its policy that required them to admit homosexuals. In a letter to UNC-CH Chancellor James Moeser, the Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), a national civil liberties organization, emphasized the fraternity's belief that a shared faith was central to the group's identity: "UNC simply may not use its nondiscrimination policy to dictate how religious student organizations must deal with matters of faith. No group can control the content of its message if it is unable to choose its messengers."

Moeser and the university, however, refused to back down, insisting that all student groups must have open memberships. The policy requires recognized student groups to open membership to anyone, regardless of age, race, color, national origin, religion, disability, veteran status, sexual orientation or gender.

"At this university, we encourage students to nurture their moral, spiritual and religious lives," he wrote in reply. "And we do not discriminate against students seeking recognition for religious groups.

"So, for example, Baptist student groups are open to Presbyterian students; Jewish student groups are open to Christian students; the Italian Club is open to Korean students; and the Black Student Movement is open to white students," Moeser concluded.

Official recognition of the fraternity was withdrawn last August and Alpha Iota Omega filed suit.

The preliminary injunction puts Alpha Iota Omega "on the same footing as nonreligious organizations which select their members on the basis of commitment ... ," Bullock wrote in his order. The nondiscrimination policy, the judge said, "raises significant constitutional concerns and could be violative of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution."

In the wake of Judge Bullock's ruling, Moesler is still standing firm in his support of the nondiscrimination policy, according to the Durham Herald Sun, telling a meeting of the Faculty Council, "No one has won at this point. We continue to believe in the merits of the university's position."

UNC was involved in a similar flap in 2002 when it withheld recognition for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship because the group required its leaders to be Christians. The uproar that followed was met with a change of mind by Chancellor Moeser at that time, and a policy was adopted allowing religious groups to require that leaders share the group's faith. However, membership had to remain open to all.

During 2002's summer session, UNC drew national attention for requiring its 3,600 incoming freshmen and transfer students to enroll in a class on Islam and attend group discussions around the mandatory text, "Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: academia; alphaiotaomega; christianclub; christianstudents; churchandstate; freedomofassociation; homosexualagenda; ruling; uncch
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To: John Lenin

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41 posted on 03/13/2005 9:42:48 AM PST by missthethunder
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To: John Lenin

of course its insanity... most PC things are the invention of a troubled mind.. my only point was.. you can't fault someone for being German.. etc.. as far as I know.. Germans, Koreans, bird watchers.. don't spread vile diseases or behaviours..


42 posted on 03/13/2005 11:19:24 AM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Piranha

This issue is about freedom of association not freedom of speech. It's the same BS that will eventually force the girl scouts to accept boys and the boy scouts to have to accept girls in their private frats.


43 posted on 03/13/2005 1:27:20 PM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: clee1
Don't suggest it!! LOL The feminists will be trying it next!

This is a good ruling, hopefully it will stand. We cannot expect Americas youth to act morally, when they become young men and women, if they are not taught to, raised to. Young adults need a moral fiber if this country is going to last past the next generation, always had always will.
44 posted on 03/13/2005 2:57:49 PM PST by gidget7
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To: hsalaw

""What the school seems to have overlooked is the "freedom of association" portion of the First Amendment. It's not all about freedom of speech.""



ABSOLUTELY!!


45 posted on 03/13/2005 2:59:00 PM PST by gidget7
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To: clee1
Conversely, men can join sororities?

Makes that whole Panty Raid thing a cinch........
46 posted on 03/13/2005 3:01:54 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: John Lenin

EQUALITY IS NOT FAIRNESS


47 posted on 03/13/2005 3:04:37 PM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: John Lenin
What would the university do with this group then ??


48 posted on 03/13/2005 3:08:31 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

...don we now our gay apparel, fa la la la la la la la la...God arrest ye merry gentlemen let nothing you display (no disrespect intended, just a bit of sarcasm). And, in keeping with the spirit of this discussion --- ;-)


49 posted on 03/13/2005 3:10:29 PM PST by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, Gullible's Troubles! Steal the wealth, spread the poverty.)
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To: festus

Whoopie Goldberg thanks you for the free advertising.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 3:12:22 PM PST by John Lenin (Believing yourself when no one else does is a form of Mental Illness)
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To: clee1

When men can JOIN a Sorority I'm going back to college.

OF course I'll be kicked out pretty quick for "arguing" with the lib profs but hey.....


51 posted on 03/13/2005 3:13:09 PM PST by Michael121 (An old soldier knows truth. Only a Dead Soldier knows peace.)
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To: longtermmemmory

This is a good ruling. If all goes well, this will lead to the aboliton of the non-discrimination clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The fact is, people should be able to associate with whoever they want. And if a groups chooses to ban blacks, whites, Hispanics, women, men, gays, straights, etc., that should be their right.

(Interestingly, Robert Byrd inveight against this non-discrimination clause in a famous filibuster 40 years ago. This was before Byrd became a crazy anti_Bush whacko. Go figure...)


52 posted on 03/13/2005 3:55:36 PM PST by Teplukin
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To: expatguy
Lawrence vs. Texas made "butt sex" a 'human right' did it not?


There is a big difference between fighting Homosexual activists who want to gatecrash a Christian club and criminal proceedings against two homosexuals doing there perverted deeds inside there own home is there not ?
53 posted on 03/13/2005 10:21:27 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: longtermmemmory

I wish they would.....


54 posted on 03/14/2005 12:47:33 AM PST by cherry
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To: little jeremiah

"That university honcho is really smart. The Italian student group has to be open to Armenians, the Jewish student group has to admit Fijians, the Atheist student group has to admit Sufis, and the Korean student group has to admit Thais. The Catholic student group has to admit Scientologists, and so on."

He chose, in an open forum, to associate religion with perversion. Perhaps he's not so smart afterall... ;)


55 posted on 03/14/2005 5:19:24 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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To: newfarm4000n

The problem is that homosexual activists pushed for elimination of sodomy laws not because cops have busting their doors down, but to put sodomy in the public arena, so to speak. The anti-sodomy laws kept their sodomy IN PRIVATE. Do you know how many beaches, parks, and other public places have become the haunts and cruising grounds of homosexuals? Sodomy laws, at least theoretically, kept the insanity at a somewhat manageable level.

In Great Britain, for instance, there was a ruckus because some MPs wanted to make it illegal for homosexuals to perform sodomy - and cruise for it - in public bathrooms. Makes sense? Oh no, the "gay" activists had fits - it's part of their "culture".

And the homos who got arrested in Texas - the poster children of Lawrence vs Texas - had the whole thing planned. This wasn't their first attempt to publicly commit sodomy so as to get arrested. They'd tried before. The whole thing was arranged - they had an associate call the cops, complaining of noise and disturbance, and when the cop showed up, the two perverts performed sodomy WITH THE DOOR OPEN and refused to close to the door or stop, with the express purpose of getting arrested and bringing the case to court.

Sodomy laws at least kept sodomy somewhat out of the public view. But now it is being taught in school.

It's gone way too far, and the homosexual promoters must be defeated.


56 posted on 03/14/2005 5:49:05 AM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: newfarm4000n

The problem is that homosexual activists pushed for elimination of sodomy laws not because cops have busting their doors down, but to put sodomy in the public arena, so to speak. The anti-sodomy laws kept their sodomy IN PRIVATE. Do you know how many beaches, parks, and other public places have become the haunts and cruising grounds of homosexuals? Sodomy laws, at least theoretically, kept the insanity at a somewhat manageable level.

In Great Britain, for instance, there was a ruckus because some MPs wanted to make it illegal for homosexuals to perform sodomy - and cruise for it - in public bathrooms. Makes sense? Oh no, the "gay" activists had fits - it's part of their "culture".

And the homos who got arrested in Texas - the poster children of Lawrence vs Texas - had the whole thing planned. This wasn't their first attempt to publicly commit sodomy so as to get arrested. They'd tried before. The whole thing was arranged - they had an associate call the cops, complaining of noise and disturbance, and when the cop showed up, the two perverts performed sodomy WITH THE DOOR OPEN and refused to close to the door or stop, with the express purpose of getting arrested and bringing the case to court.

Sodomy laws at least kept sodomy somewhat out of the public view. But now it is being taught in school.

It's gone way too far, and the homosexual promoters must be defeated.


57 posted on 03/14/2005 5:50:37 AM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: Constitution Day

UNC making the news


58 posted on 03/14/2005 5:51:55 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud

Thanks! I'll ping the list.


59 posted on 03/14/2005 5:57:28 AM PST by Constitution Day (Go Wolfpack! Go away, Sendek.)
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To: Piranha

In some ways, it's a farce to get the unrighteous deemed "acceptable".

God called His people to separate from the worldly, to sanctify themselves so He could sanctify them also. If a sinner refuses to depart from evil and seek good, he first has NOT sanctified himself and second, should not expect the sanctity of God's.


60 posted on 03/14/2005 5:58:14 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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