Feds fear cigarette tax may fuel acts of terrorism

The Argus ^ | March 11, 2005 | Steve Geissinger

[Land_of_Lincoln_John]

Illinois is also considering steep cigarette tax hikes. As a non-smoker, I don't know much about this issue, but it's a fair guess that other states are considering the same tactic to increase revenue.

Oh, a tip of the hat to Daniel Pipes, who referred to this article on his essential blog.

Oh here is a pic, which according to Pipes, was created by Islamists to insult him! I wish I'd get insulted this way.

[need_a_screen_name]

Someone call Texas and clue Perry and the Texas Leg. in on this.

[Enterprise]

Stupid jackassed feds. First, they never should have put high taxes on cigarettes. Second, they never should have sued the tobacco companies. Stupid jackassed feds.

[johnmilken]

Drug prohibition fuels terrorism.

Get the products out of the hands of the gangs and into legitimate companies and let the quality be controlled, the businesses taxed and the consumers informed. Just as we do with alcohol and tobacco.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

But federal terrorism investigators told The Argus on Thursday that such seemingly innocent legislation, further hiking high cigarette costs in California, would fuel their already tough battle against terrorist groups' lucrative smuggling operations in the United States.

Same logic applies to the War on Some Drugs.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

But federal terrorism investigators told The Argus on Thursday that such seemingly innocent legislation, further hiking high cigarette costs in California, would fuel their already tough battle against terrorist groups' lucrative smuggling operations in the United States.

Same logic applies to the War on Some Drugs.

[SpaceBar]

Anytime you have a commodity whose price is set artificially high due to illegality, cartel, or unusually high tax, it becomes a natural locus of criminal activity. The more artificial the price, the greater this phenomenon. Cocaine, diamonds, petroleum, and now tobacco are some examples.

[kingattax]

PING

[Raycpa]

Sounds like they are setting the stage for a uniform state tax which will raise the law states via a federal excise.

[Coyoteman]

Cigarette taxes?

Can you say prohibition boys and girls?

I knew you could! (We all know where that went.)

Hiking cigarette taxes will have the same effect: i.e., none that's of any use. Tax revenues will level off at some point and will not go any higher no matter what rates the states or feds set.

Hint: see "Law of supply and demand."

[Raycpa]

Corrected: Sounds like they are setting the stage for a uniform federal tax which will raise the tax states in low tax states charge via a federal excise.

[billybudd]

Bah, this is miniscule compared to the drug trade. Check out this excellent article about how Syria makes billions off heroin production.

[borntobeagle]

Kentucky's tobacco is supposed to go up 30 cents this
June. I suppose I'll write a thank you letter to Gov.
"fly your plane over the White House" Fletcher.

"P.C." taxes, makes me ill!

[henderson field]

The states desperately need money because, at the same time that they continue to spend at an irresponsible level, revenues are down due to offshoring: they used to enjoy taxes from production line workers at $25 an hour; now they are getting taxes from fast-food workers at $7 an hour. Big difference.

[Vigilanteman]

Umm, how about identifying and deporting (or better yet, hanging) Islamofacists dealing in funneling finances to our enemies? That way, cigarette smuggling could be a venue reserved for honest American crooks.

[DumpsterDiver]

The three lawmakers who authored the bills — Assemblywoman Fran Pavley, D-Woodland Hills, and Sens. Tom Torlakson, D-Antioch, and Wes Chesbro, D-Arcata — were unavailable for immediate comment.

They're probably all hiding out some where smoking cigarettes they purchased from some online source.

[SheLion]

I'm just a little sick and tired of cigarettes and President Bush being blamed for all the ill's on earth!

Dear Governor, 

As a smoker and tax-paying citizen of this state, I am joining a nationwide smokers strike to inform the Governors of the states that smokers will no longer accept excessive and punitive taxation.  Nor will we accept unnecessary restrictions and regulations any longer.
Until that day comes, I will not purchase another pack of cigarettes manufactured by Phillip Morris, R J Reynolds, Brown & Williamson or Liggett - including any of their sub brands – I will no longer support the Master Settlement Agreement.  Instead, I will buy brands made by non-MSA companies              

Smokers will willingly pay a fair rate of taxation: 

• Smokers request an end to smoking bans in adult only locations.  Businesses owners should choose to cater to smokers, nonsmokers, or both.
• Smokers will not accept the taxation of non-tobacco products like pipes, cigarette papers or any other smoking accessories. 
• Smokers will not accept a mail order ban.  Instead, states should equalize their tobacco taxes – this will end the now booming black-market as well as save the states millions of dollars in tobacco tax enforcement.  Then the only reason to mail order would be to purchase a product not available in their area - not to avoid excessive taxes. 
• Tobacco retailers should not be punished for selling a legal product by paying excessive and unreasonable licensing fees

   Every smoker, and everyone who knows a cigarette smoker will enlist their support to boycott the Master Settlement Agreement cigarette brands until taxes are fair and reasonable.

   

  I smoke and I vote!

   

  Name: ______________________

  Address: ____________________

  City: _________________

  Zip Code: _________

   

   

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  Copy or download the "I Quit" letter and
  send it to your Governor. 

   

  click here to download "I Quit" Letter

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[SheLion]

Here is what Illinois smokers ALREADY pay with their cigarette tax dollars:Illinois Information

Illinois Smokers:
A public yahoo group for anyone who wants to talk about the Illinois ban situation.

Illinois Smokers Alliance:
A smokers ban discussion group from IL.  A public group but moderated against posts made by anti-smokers.

Illinois State Page:
Facts, Press Releases, Visiting, Government, and more.

IDPH Online:
Illinois Department of Public Health
535 West Jefferson Street
Springfield, Illinois 62761

 

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Tobacco Taxes Illinois's excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.980 Illinois's excise tax collection for the fiscal year ending June 2002: $471,551,000 Sales tax on tobacco products: 6.25% Local tax on tobacco products: $60,605,152 Federal excise tax per pack of cigarettes: $0.39 Total federal excise tax collections in fiscal year 2002: $7,512,700,000 Click here for the Cigarette Tax and Payment Table for all states.

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Comparing Excise Taxes on Cigarettes, Beer and Wine

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Number of six-packs of beer that must be sold in Illinois to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 94.2

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Number of bottles of wine that must be sold in Illinois to produce the same state excise tax revenue generated by one carton of cigarettes: 67.8

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Illinois Smokers' Contributions
to the State Economy - FY2003

 

In 2002, Illinois smokers comprised only 22.9%¹ of the adult population in the state. Here is what they already pay because they choose to buy a legal product:

Smokers Pay Excise Taxes2	$	653,697,000
Smokers Pay Local Excise Taxes	$	160,325,000
Smokers Pay Sales Taxes2	$	58,000,000
Smokers Pay Tobacco Settlement Payments3	$	339,495,000
	$	1,211,517,000

Smokers' Economic/Tax Profile 2002

• Income¹

Illinois smokers' median household income	$	36,720
Illinois nonsmokers' median household income	$	45,942

• Working families pay more¹

34% of Illinois smokers had household income LESS THAN $25,000

16% of Illinois smokers had household income EQUAL TO or GREATER THAN $75,000

The impact of smoker payments on the incomes of working families was more than THREE TIMES the impact on higher income smokers. Those who can afford it least pay a disproportionate percentage of their hard-earned income in smoker payments.

• Smoker excise tax/sales tax/tobacco settlement payments liability in 2002⁴

Total average paid per Illinois smoker in excise and sales taxes	$	415
Cost per Illinois smoker for settlement payments to Illinois	$	161
Total annual payments to Illinois per smoker	$	576
Total annual payments to Illinois per nonsmoker	$	0

Click here to read all of it

[SheLion]

[Smokin' Joe]

"Cigarette traffickers can make as much as $60 per carton."

I don't know where they get their numbers, but they would have to give me better than $30 with each carton for me to sell one at that markup here (ND).

Most class A brands are selling around $30 now. I buy 'cheapies' for about 16 bucks a carton.