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Judge says DCF can't intervene in Terri Schiavo case
Associated Press ^ | March 10, 2005 | Mitch Stacy

Posted on 03/10/2005 12:22:56 PM PST by amdgmary

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To: ContraryMary
However, I sense that things have gone so far that neither side is capable of doing what is best.

I disagree. If Michael and the Schindlers sat down together, as Bishop Lynch has recommended, in a neutral setting, with a neutral counselor who is compassionate towards all sides, I think they could come up with something that is considerate of the grief of all the parties.

621 posted on 03/11/2005 12:13:08 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Let me go indulge myself with a bit of chocolate Haagen-Dazs Life Support.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I do know this has been tried before. Jay Wolfson came very close to reaching an agreement. I seriously doubt another attempt would yield any better results.


622 posted on 03/11/2005 12:18:32 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: Lauren BaRecall
". . .I think they could come up with something that is considerate of the grief of all the parties."

I don't get it - why does there have to be ANY grief??? If Terri could be given to her parents to care for her, who would be grieving??

623 posted on 03/11/2005 12:33:18 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly

You speak like she is already dead.


624 posted on 03/11/2005 12:34:01 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Lauren BaRecall; ContraryMary
Schiavo has no intention of being buried with Terri, the woman he told the courts he intended to spend the rest of his life with and would honour his marriage vows. During the malpractice suit of course.

In the begining, he told too many people that he didn't know what Terri would want. I know they've been "discredited" but it's hard to believe that they are all lying and only he is telling the truth.

This is a display of power. Judge Greer rules in his favour regardless of law and other evidence and Schiavo knows this. This is spite. Keep in mind the guardianship laws that have been flouted. I've already listed a few in another post. And Schiavos own testimony about his being angry at the Schindlers. It's posted on this thread too. Even Schiavo isn't claiming that Terri wished to be buried in Pa as her life and family were in Fla. This is an angry man who no longer has a use for Terri or her family.

If you don't believe that, consider that the last time Terri was starved for 6 days, not only did his fiancee stand guard to make sure no one tried to feed her, so did Jodi Centezones mother. I believe that to be extremely cruel and insulting. This time, the Schindlers have a court order allowing them to be present.

625 posted on 03/11/2005 12:35:14 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: ContraryMary

I don't know. This is coming down to the wire. There's a feeling of finality now, that wasn't there previously.

Maybe they'd need someone spiritually based. Maybe the Bishop, himself, if that would be agreeable to all parties. Just a thought.


626 posted on 03/11/2005 12:51:14 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Let me go indulge myself with a bit of chocolate Haagen-Dazs Life Support.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
I, for one, would like to see one more swallow test, one more MRI provided all parties would agree beforehand to accept the results.
627 posted on 03/11/2005 12:53:11 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: jackibutterfly
I've prefaced my statements with the word "if." All I'm saying is if it's the case that such and such happens, then....
628 posted on 03/11/2005 12:54:20 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Let me go indulge myself with a bit of chocolate Haagen-Dazs Life Support.)
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To: ContraryMary
I absolutely agree with you about the MRI. It has been argued that Terri has no cerebral cortex, but I say what's the big deal about confirming that? Especially with the new functional MRI. Give the family some peace. If it's the case that Terri could never be rehabilitated, let her family be sure of that.

Swallow therapy would be more effective than a swallow test for confirming ability to swallow. I found this thread in my travels, and it's very interesting just for the science alone. You never know when being aware of info like that may help you out one day:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1358619/posts

I think you have the right idea to just make sure about everything before something happens that can't be undone. :o)

629 posted on 03/11/2005 1:08:05 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Let me go indulge myself with a bit of chocolate Haagen-Dazs Life Support.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Swallow therapy would be more effective than a swallow test for confirming ability to swallow. I found this thread in my travels, and it's very interesting just for the science alone.

Terri swallows saliva all day, every day.

630 posted on 03/11/2005 1:14:52 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ContraryMary
Mary, I know you like reading info on both sides so I think you might find this interesting. Envoy Magazine
631 posted on 03/11/2005 1:15:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: DJ MacWoW; ContraryMary
I did have the impression that Michael moved on with his life, and that any future plans that he had for himself would involve Jodi, so I think it's fair to assume that he probably wouldn't be buried with Terri.

This is a display of power. Judge Greer rules in his favour regardless of law and other evidence and Schiavo knows this. This is spite.

I think it's also fair to wonder why Michael decided to send Terri's remains to PA. I think Judge Greer could have very easily given that point to the Schindlers. To me, this doesn't look good.

632 posted on 03/11/2005 1:23:52 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Let me go indulge myself with a bit of chocolate Haagen-Dazs Life Support.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thanks, DJ. While I have made my wishes known to my family, I have avoided writing up a Living Will, just in case I run into an overzealous attorney or doctor. I don't believe that everyone in Florida is against Terri -- the judge, the hospice, the doctors, everyone else. I do think that is a bit over the top. I also think that Terri is PVS and the Schindlers are in denial. I know that I wouldn't want to live for 15 years like Terri and that my husband and children should move on with their lives.

That said, in the end I think it's really none of our business. We cannot possibly know what they are feeling, what is going on in their minds, what their life circumstances are. It's not for us to judge.

633 posted on 03/11/2005 1:58:42 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
That said, in the end I think it's really none of our business

I believe that it is society's business to keep a vigilant watch. Society dropped the ball with abortion. Now there is the internet and people are more informed.

You may not like the parallels but a lot of the German populace had NO idea what was happening at such places as Auschwitz. People do need to be vigilant.

634 posted on 03/11/2005 2:07:56 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I honestly cannot draw a parallel between state-sanctioned and state-led death and personal family decisions. To me they are very different.


635 posted on 03/11/2005 2:11:02 PM PST by ContraryMary
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To: Lauren BaRecall

"Let's keep this simple."

Fine, just as long as it is the parents that try to feed her the food. Of course, they will probably kill her doing so. But if they want to try, it's their business. No objections here to handfeeding her; just know what the consequences will undoubtedly be, as per doctors' opinions. But of course you know better than they do.


636 posted on 03/11/2005 2:11:47 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Dante3

What a stupid statement to say that Sun is living in a fantasy world. Obviously you are the one who is either confused or wants to disrupt.

Yet another one living in a fantasy world. Enjoy it.


637 posted on 03/11/2005 2:13:25 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Dante3

What a stupid statement to say that Sun is living in a fantasy world. Obviously you are the one who is either confused or wants to disrupt.

Yet another one living in a fantasy world. Enjoy it.

P.S., anyone who disagrees with the prevailing viewpoint on these threads is, according to the Terri supporters, a disrupter. Anyone.


638 posted on 03/11/2005 2:14:21 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Sun

"Have a good sleep. Perhaps after a good nights' rest, who knows? Sorry I bested you."

You seem a very childlike and naive person. Probably very nice, but you practice the fine art of self deception with vigor.


639 posted on 03/11/2005 2:18:12 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: supercat

So parents should let their kids starve if they're not born with the ability to eat with a spoon and fork?

No, only those that have a non-functioning brain (persistent vegitative state). And when the husband is the guardian and decides what he feels is best for his wife, according to the law.


640 posted on 03/11/2005 2:19:56 PM PST by flaglady47
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