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CA: State's newest political game: Initiative chicken
Sac Bee ^ | 3/9/05 | Peter Schrag

Posted on 03/09/2005 9:07:24 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Most of those 80-some voter initiatives that are either pending at the attorney general's office or already cleared for signature collection will never make it to the ballot. There's not enough money. Some are near-duplicate versions of the same measure; others are just gleams in the eye of wannabes with the $200 needed to file - initiative versions of the 135 people who ran for governor in the 2003 recall. But some are chess pieces in what may be the biggest and most complicated game of political chicken in California history. If Hiram Johnson and the California Progressives who wrote the initiative, referendum and recall into the state constitution had ever been suspected of planning anything as goofy as this, they would have been run out of Sacramento on a rail. This is the initiative process on steroids.

None of these measures originated with "the people" in whose name Arnold Schwarzenegger has been Hummering around. Few would qualify, much less pass, without the big bucks that deep-pockets interest groups pony up.

And that's what initiative chicken is all about. The governor is flying around the country to raise the $50 million he promises (or threatens) to get to run his reform campaign. He's hoping to raise it all from big business interests - a lot of them, in the words of a staffer working for a Sacramento Democrat, eager to join "Brand Arnold." On the other side are the teachers, cops, firefighters and other public employee unions targeted by the governor's proposed pension overhaul and spending caps and the politicians who don't want to give up their safe legislative and congressional seats.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; chicken; game; initiative; newest; political; state

1 posted on 03/09/2005 9:07:26 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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If Hiram Johnson and the California Progressives who wrote the initiative, referendum and recall into the state constitution had ever been suspected of planning anything as goofy as this, they would have been run out of Sacramento on a rail. This is the initiative process on steroids.
2 posted on 03/09/2005 9:07:57 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Its great! Liberals fear the voters. If it were up to them, Hiram Johnson's reforms would be banned today.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 03/09/2005 9:09:36 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
Once again we see that the Liberals don't want an informed populace voting on issues.

They'll try and demonize the issues with their usual conspiracy theories about big business and special interest groups.

However if it wasn't for special interest groups having too much sway with the CA legislature, these initiatives wouldn't be necessary.

They aren't abusing the initiative process. They're using it as it was intended. The elite liberals just don't like what's being done with it.
4 posted on 03/09/2005 9:37:09 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; SierraWasp; Amerigomag
When the media says team Arnold is out collecting signatures, I wonder if anyone knows what he is collecting signatures for.

He hasn't endorsed a spending measure; both the Deficit Reduction Act (John Campbell) and the Live Within Our Means (Zaremberg) spending measures haven't even cleared the AG's office for signature. He abandoned his own redistricting plan and reverted to Ted Costa's. Now it looks like there are flaws in the language of the Pension initiative. What Education initiative has he endorsed? Is it cleared for signature?

So far, the "year of reform" looks like a year of media hype and disorganization.

From the column:

At this point it's hardly clear what initiatives the governor really will support. His reform campaign has already shrunk. The proclaimed move to impose merit pay on teachers seems to have been forgotten, and the proposal to lengthen the time for teachers to get tenure has been reduced from 10 years to five. (It's now an unrealistic two years.)

The initiative overhauling the state's public employee pension system is stuck in a wording mess that, in the attorney general's analysis (denied by the backers), denies death benefits to the survivors of cops and firefighters killed on the job, a great example of how, in the absence of a deliberative process, initiatives go awry.

In the course of his Hummer happening last week, the governor endorsed Ted Costa's convoluted reapportionment reform, not the proposal by Assembly Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (now revised from its unworkable first version) that was supposed to reflect the governor's wishes.

In addition, the governor's loudly proclaimed intention to "blow up the boxes" of state government by abolishing some 88 boards and commissions as recommended by a team of state bureaucrats has been quietly abandoned.


5 posted on 03/09/2005 12:40:14 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
If Hiram Johnson and the California Progressives who wrote the initiative, referendum and recall into the state constitution had ever been suspected of planning anything as goofy as this, they would have been run out of Sacramento on a rail.

Hiram Johnson should have been run out on a rail. These are the entirely predictable consequences of direct democracy, from which the founders of this nation hoped to protect us. Had we remained stuck with the crooked legislators, the people would have realized what needed fixing and got it done.

The aphorism, "We get the government we deserve," could never be more true than it is today in California.

6 posted on 03/09/2005 12:49:42 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: All
This is from the California Business Round Table website (PDF FILE)
February 28, 2005
Committee Announces Support for Initial Reforms
Additional reform measures still being considered

SACRAMENTO - Citizens to Save California (CSC) announced today that the committee has amended its filing with the California Secretary of State’s office, modifying the committee’s status from a general purpose committee to a primarily formed committee.

The filing change marks the committee’s decision to support two important reform initiatives – the Fair and Responsible Retirement Act and the Put the Kids First Act. As soon as the committee receives title and summary, CSC will take these petitions to the people and ask for their support. The committee will continue to consider other reform measures that will put California’s economy back on track.

“These two initiatives are an important part of reforming California and making it the Golden State again,” said Joel Fox, co-chair of CSC. “Ensuring California’s kids get a quality education and that our retirement system doesn’t bankrupt local communities are top priorities of this committee.”

The Put Kids First Act will help ensure our kids get the best education and the best teachers possible. And the Fair and Responsible Retirement Act will provide stability to California’s out-of-control pension system.

I guess they are still "considering" them, because neither one of these initiatives appears to even have been filed. They are not listed on the Secretary of State website tracking initiative status, at least not under these names.
7 posted on 03/09/2005 12:52:27 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
I wonder if anyone knows what he is collecting signatures for.

Of course not, they never do. That's just one thing that's wrong about initiatives.

He hasn't endorsed a spending measure; both the Deficit Reduction Act (John Campbell) and the Live Within Our Means (Zaremberg) spending measures haven't even cleared the AG's office for signature.

To be fair to Arnold, Lockyer has every reason to drag his feet here, seeing as he fancies himself being governor someday.

He abandoned his own redistricting plan and reverted to Ted Costa's.

Probably a good idea, but there are better proposals than either.

Now it looks like there are flaws in the language of the Pension initiative.

There always is. That's why we need to dump the initiative process and fix the legislature.

What Education initiative has he endorsed? Is it cleared for signature?

Beats me.

8 posted on 03/09/2005 12:56:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: untrained skeptic
Once again we see that the Liberals don't want an informed populace voting on issues.

If you think the California Chamber of Commerce, the California Business Round Table or the Citizens to Save California are fighting the Liberals, perhaps you should look more closely at who they are.

They include Eli Broad and his KB Home, a huge Democrat supporter; Catellus, a company largely controlled by Diane Feinstein's husband; Levi Strauss, long known for its liberal causes; etc.

There are more than two sides to these issues. From what I see, the CBRT is a far cry from representing the taxpaying populace.

However if it wasn't for special interest groups having too much sway with the CA legislature, these initiatives wouldn't be necessary.

These initiatives are brought to you BY special interests!

California Business Round Table

9 posted on 03/09/2005 1:10:41 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; calcowgirl
I'm sure glad you guys an gals post this challenging info. I'm so caustic whenever I say anything, driven as I am over the devastating SNC, that I'm afraid I'm beginning to "type cast" myself as a terminal grouch!!! (somethings will never be forgiven, till reversed!)

It's ok for me to use the term "type cast!" Afterall, Hollyweird is running CA these days and I just want to fit right in!!! Phhhhhht!!!

10 posted on 03/09/2005 1:17:08 PM PST by SierraWasp (The Dems have lost whatever "redeeming social value" they ever had!!! Just ask Zell...)
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To: SierraWasp
It's ok for me to use the term "type cast!"

If your position always stays the same, we could use cast type.

11 posted on 03/09/2005 1:20:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: SierraWasp
You? Type cast? Nah... after you, they threw away the mold!
(snicker)

Speaking of the SNC, I noticed yesterday they lost one of the leaders:

Associated Press, March 8, 2005

SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, Calif. Dennis Machida, who led the California Tahoe Conservancy since 1985 has died of a heart attack while speaking at a climate research conference in Montana.

Machida, who was 58, helped establish the conservancy group in South Lake Tahoe as assistant secretary for legal affairs with the California Resources Agency.

Under his leadership, the agency authorized more than 290 (m) million dollars in public money to acquire 74-hundred acres of sensitive land on the California side of the Lake Tahoe Basin and to fund nearly 600 water quality, wildlife habitat, public access and recreation projects.

Machida was also instrumental in the establishment of the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, which Governor Schwarzenegger signed into law last September. The mission of the organization is to fund environmental preservation projects for 25 million acres in the Sierra Nevada stretching from the Oregon line to north of Bakersfield.

He died on Friday.


12 posted on 03/09/2005 1:41:10 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp

Interesting how the more they set that land aside the greener that lake gets.


13 posted on 03/09/2005 3:29:21 PM PST by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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To: farmfriend; forester
I have a theory as to why Tahoe was so blue and is turning green now despite what anybody does about it. That deep blue color wasn't a natural condition. After the logging and burning of the 19th Century, the early 20th Century had a young forest around the Lake.

Young forests consume nitrogen. Old forests release it from rotting vegetation.

The amount of nitrogen that would be released from an old forest would WILDLY exceed what is released now from cabins in the basin.

14 posted on 03/09/2005 3:45:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I've heard your theory before. I think you are right. My logic and gut tells me you are. I trust my intuition.


15 posted on 03/09/2005 3:50:52 PM PST by farmfriend ( Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?!?)
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