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In the Fight Against Terrorism, Some Rights Must Be Repealed - (Hunh? Disarm us to fight terror?)
INSTITUTE FOR SOCIAL POLICY UNDERSTANDING ^ | MARCH 4, 2005 | JUNAID M. AFEEF

Posted on 03/08/2005 8:05:19 PM PST by freeholland

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To: freeholland

Huh, most of the suicide bombers in the Middle East use homemade bombs, not guns. It's unlikely terrorists would use guns for terrorism. Way too ineffective.


41 posted on 03/08/2005 8:55:03 PM PST by billybudd
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To: freeholland
The one thing that absolutely could have stopped the 9/11 terrorist attacks would have been the passengers rising up and fighting the terrorists. The passengers had a 10 to 1 or greater numerical advantage on every plane. The terrorists were armed with small blades. On the one plane where the passengers did attack, Flight 93, they overcame the terrorists and would have regained control of the plane if the terrorists hadn't crashed it. If they had attacked before the terrorists controlled the cockpit, they would be alive today.

I don't say these things to criticize what the passengers on those planes did. They reacted as we've all been trained to react. They dialed 9-1-1 and waited passively for "proper authorities" to deal with the situation. However, that passivity is a death trip. Passivity and pacifism have always been death trips, and the terrorist attacks only proved that fact.

The lesson that we need to learn from the terrorist attacks is never to be passive in the face of evil. When we are attacked, we need to immediately use force against our attackers. The "proper authorities" won't always be there to help us until it is too late. While we are waiting, we need to be doing all that we can to kill terrorists.

Denying us weapons to use in self-defense against the terrorists is stupid. The idiot who wrote this column buried himself in his fallacies by the third or forth paragraph. Rather than attacking private ownership of guns, we need to promote private ownership of guns as a means of fighting terrorism.

Bill

42 posted on 03/08/2005 8:55:14 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Desron13
I wonder what this moron thinks would happen to the mighty US military if even one fifth of the American people rose up and seized control of or destroyed it's support base?

That's probably what he and his jihadi buddies are hoping for.
43 posted on 03/08/2005 8:56:27 PM PST by boofus
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To: freeholland
The newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss, believes that terrorists may bring urban warfare techniques learned in Iraq to our homeland. If he is right, we could have a whole new war on our hands. The prospect is indeed scary.

All the more reason for the general public to be well armed. The police and military can't be everywhere at once. The general public can be and is.

The right to bear arms, as enumerated in the Second Amendment, was meant for the maintenance of a “well-regulated militia.” At the time the amendment was adopted, standing armies were viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and therefore, gun-owning individuals were seen as a protection mechanism for the public. These gun owners were also seen as guardians of the republic against the tyranny of the rulers. The framers of the Constitution saw the right to bear and use arms as a check against an unruly government. That state of affairs no longer exists.

Look on the bright side, they are at long last admitting that there is a "right to keep and bear arms" and that that Constitution protects it. That the purpose of the right is defend the country and to keep the government in check. He even implies that the Constitution should be amended to adapt to changed circumstances.

Now they would have us "give up essential liberty for some temporary safety". They would disarm the general public just when there are Islamic crazies in the land wanting to kill anyone they can.

So long as guns remain available to the general public, there will always be the threat of terrorists walking into a crowded restaurant, a busy coffee shop or a packed movie theater and opening fire upon unsuspecting civilians.

They ignore that AK's and RPGs for that matter, are cheap on the world market and terrorists need not buy them here or if they wanted to buy them here that they do so through legitimate sources. Guns are easier to smuggle than drugs. Gun parts easier still.

44 posted on 03/08/2005 8:56:39 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Desron13

This guy has no idea what he is talking about. The majority of the US military wouldn't go agianst the US population, mainly because they are taught to THINK FOR THEMSELVES. The armed American population would not have to face the military, this guy is just writing propaganda for the liberals in large cities who feel threatened by little old ladies with guns.


45 posted on 03/08/2005 8:58:33 PM PST by Laz711 (Fear is the Mind Killer)
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To: WFTR

Well said.


46 posted on 03/08/2005 8:58:34 PM PST by scars
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To: church16
(try stopping a 757 from ramming your house with a pistol)

You can't stop it from ramming *your house*, but if you where on it, you'd stand a good chance of stopping the Jihadies from ramming it into someone else's house, or a public building, sports arena, etc, etc.

47 posted on 03/08/2005 8:58:58 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: WFTR

Good analysis. Terrorists prefer unarmed prey.


48 posted on 03/08/2005 8:59:02 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: ATCNavyRetiree

Beatuiful
I notice though that it say "READ MANUAL BEFORE USE"
What a shame that the stupid PC people have to put their stamp on everything.
It's like writing on teh Mona Lisa; NOT ACTUAL SIZE or some other nonesense ruining a work of art.
I hope the pendulum swings quick the other way and we get rid of them completely.


49 posted on 03/08/2005 9:01:39 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: scars
It was easy to figure out where this idiotic article was going by the third sentence.

Mr. Afeef needs to do some more research. Lucky for him, he lives in a PC fantasy world. In other lands throughout history, Mr. Afeef's proposal to disarm the citizenry during wartime would have been greeted with great hostility and gotten him a swift ticket to eternity for being in league with the enemy.

50 posted on 03/08/2005 9:01:43 PM PST by AF68
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To: church16; jsmith48
"An armed citizen is the ultimate free radical, you don't know where we are and you don't know how good we are with the weapons we have. Tough to plan for that."

Thanks for this response. "Free radicals" UNITE! Great thinking, church16! :)

51 posted on 03/08/2005 9:05:02 PM PST by freeholland
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To: dbwz; 2nd amendment mama; technochick

Ping!


52 posted on 03/08/2005 9:06:54 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: AF68

Don't you just wish we could take people like this to one of the coasts, kick 'em in the ocean and tell them to swim for somewhere they'll like better?


53 posted on 03/08/2005 9:07:19 PM PST by scars
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To: freeholland
From my cold dead hands Junaid.
54 posted on 03/08/2005 9:12:56 PM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: Desron13
I wonder what this moron thinks would happen to the mighty US military if even one fifth of the American people rose up and seized control of or destroyed it's support base?

The military is not exactly a liberal stronghold, I'll be standing right beside them.

Junaid M. Afeef on the other hand will probably be standing against the US military, but then that will be his problem.

55 posted on 03/08/2005 9:14:30 PM PST by RJL
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To: freeholland

It's also one of the reasons Hitler didn't attack Switzerland.
Now this seems like the person is uniting with the dumbocrats to disarm the Americans as advance prep for attacks.
With half the work already done by the left it makes sense.
Ho Chi Minh use the left during the Viet Nam war to inflame protests in this country to great effect.
People watch and learn.
The founders had it right by saying the right SHALL NOT be infringed.
This very scenario is why the 2d guarantees our right to own full auto without restriction. Not to mention other "arms".


56 posted on 03/08/2005 9:14:43 PM PST by chuckwalla
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To: WFTR
"Denying us weapons to use in self-defense against the terrorists is stupid. The idiot who wrote this column buried himself in his fallacies by the third or forth paragraph. Rather than attacking private ownership of guns, we need to promote private ownership of guns as a means of fighting terrorism.

Thanks for such a well-phrased response. Forty years ago almost exactly, I saw a bumper sticker in (of all places!) The Comm. of MA. It read: "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!" It is impossible for me to comprehend the thinking of anyone who would suggest that we can prevent terrorists from shooting up shopping malls, if we all just hand in our guns "to the proper authorities!"........and, I suppose, sit back and wait for "the religion of PEACE" to take over.

57 posted on 03/08/2005 9:15:00 PM PST by freeholland
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To: freeholland
Today, only a handful of citizens outside of neo-nazi and white supremacist goups view gun ownership as a means of keeping the government in check.


58 posted on 03/08/2005 9:15:22 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: coloradan
I hate to profile based on a name, but how much you wanna bet the author of this piece is a terrorist and seeks to disarm Americans before committing a giant atrocity himself?

I don't know about him being a terrorist, but an amazingly high fraction of the "scholars" at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding have Islamic sounding names. Not all Arabic, but mostly Islamic or from predominatley Islamic regions.

59 posted on 03/08/2005 9:19:52 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: freeholland
50 percent of the owners were male, 43 percent were white and 48 percent were Republican.

or....

50 percent of owners were NOT male, 57 percent were NOT white, 52 percent were NOT Republican.

What's this moron's point ?
60 posted on 03/08/2005 9:22:22 PM PST by stylin19a (The moose always rings twice....)
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