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We need evangelical Christian support
Haaretz ^ | 3/7/05 | Yehiel Eckstein

Posted on 03/08/2005 7:05:29 AM PST by ZGuy

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1 posted on 03/08/2005 7:05:29 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Rabbi Eckstein is the president and founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.


2 posted on 03/08/2005 7:13:23 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: ZGuy

I'm glad at least some observant Jews know who their friends are.


3 posted on 03/08/2005 7:20:22 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ZGuy

Then pray tell why do Jews vote for Democrats? Is there a difference between secular Jews who attend religious services but question if there is a God, and Jews who believe in God?


4 posted on 03/08/2005 7:21:42 AM PST by watchdog_writer
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Then pray tell why do Jews vote for Democrats? Is there a difference between secular Jews who attend religious services but question if there is a God, and Jews who believe in God?

For the same reason so many Jews refused to believe that the Nazi's didn't have their best interest at heart.

They were blind to what the reality of the situation was. Like sheep to the slaughter so to speak.


5 posted on 03/08/2005 7:24:45 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (A Patriot must always be willing to defend his Country against his Government)
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To: ZGuy
"I will bless those who bless you."

-God

6 posted on 03/08/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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7 posted on 03/08/2005 7:33:09 AM PST by SJackson ( Bush is as free as a bird, He is only accountable to history and God, Ra'anan Gissin)
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To: ZGuy

Bump


8 posted on 03/08/2005 7:35:19 AM PST by JWinNC (www.webgent.com)
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Ping!


9 posted on 03/08/2005 7:46:49 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: ZGuy
Here's the link to the article to which the author responds:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/543642.html

10 posted on 03/08/2005 8:02:27 AM PST by trisham
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To: ZGuy

Excellent article. I'm glad someone in the Jewish community is saying it. It's embarrassing that we have all these liberal Jews (in name only) that think they speak for everyone.

I thank G-d every day for Evangelical Christian support.


11 posted on 03/08/2005 8:25:12 AM PST by SweetPilotofCanuckistan
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To: watchdog_writer

Almost like asking if there is a difference between the
Christian who believes the Bible to be the inerrant word
of God but votes for Democrats.Of course there is a
difference? Jews are essentially Humans, and no different
for it. God chose His people -because He is God and can
choose whom He will favor. But in the Bible Old Testament--
or Hebrew Bible there is record of children of Israel who
heard and obeyed the Lord And there are also recorded example of those who grew fat and when strong turned from
the One who Created them to worship Him.


12 posted on 03/08/2005 8:27:59 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: XeniaSt

I watched an excellent documentary last night about the wall, and it opened my eyes. The settlers must move out of Pali lands and the Palis in Israel should move out in exchange. Of course, we should pray that the new Palestinian leader will be successful in both securing the rights of his people and in reining in the terrorists.
There has got to be a middleground or else the sad cycle of bloody retailiation will continue.
Terrorists get their power when the whole Pali population is oppressed, and this occurs when Hamas and ilk blow people up. Then the Israelis blow something up and tighten the noose on civilians (to find the needle in the haystack)and Hamas gets new recruits. It is not unusual for Palestinian laborers to wait 2 hours at a checkpoint, then wind their way around a huge wire barrier just to wait at every other checkpoint. Something has got to give. The documentary showed the aftermath of a roadside suicide bomb and it broke my heart to see a female Israeli soldier choking back her tears and saying she couldn't take it anymore. Likewise it breaks my heart to see a Palestinian mother weeping over the death of a child.
More hate is not what is needed on either side. If Israel is to remain Jewish, there needs to be a solution acceptable (and fair to) to both sides. Otherwise Palestinians will outbreed and outvote Israelis. The other solution is to keep up the cycle of retailiation and then deny Palestinians the vote, which is anti-democracy.

With that said, I am so thankful I was born here instead of there.


13 posted on 03/08/2005 8:40:08 AM PST by followerofchrist
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To: XeniaSt
The rub comes in because evangelicals have as a core feature of their identity the conviction that the Gospel of Jesus is universal in nature---and "universal" encompasses all, including the Jews.

"Spreading the good news" cannot rationally be divorced from the meaning and content of the gospel.

Nonbelievers in Jesus often find this irritating. Jews recall a history of violence in the name of Christianity.

If it is of any comfort to Jews, there are 2 things that should be noted:

1.) In the evangelical understanding, individual conscience plays a very large role. A conversion not flowing from individual conviction and conscience is invalid. Thus "forced conversion" is an oxymoron.

2.) When Christendom was persecuting the Jews, the spiritual forebears of today's evangelicals were also being burned at the stake. Sometimes Jews are angry that evangelicals aren't more repentant regarding the persecutions of the the Jews. But it is also true that evangelicals often don't see themselves as connected with the anti-semitic state churches of Europe, except as their victims. My grandparents left everything behind and came to America to be free of those churches.

The criticism evangelicals have of Jews is that they have often forgotten that their God is THE God, the God of all. Monotheism inherently engenders opposition --sometimes violent (and the Jews have had more than their share, for sure) so there is the contradictory attempt to squeeze the Only God into the role of a tribal deity, so as to make it easier to get along with outsiders. The problem that arises, is that being "the chosen people" only makes sense in the context of a global mission, a mission the Jews continue to fulfill, even though they are often unaware of it themselves.

14 posted on 03/08/2005 8:40:17 AM PST by cookcounty (LooneyLibLine: "The ONLY reason for Operation Iraqi FREEDOM was WMD!!" ((repeat til brain is numb))
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15 posted on 03/08/2005 8:41:50 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: StonyBurk
It was a rhetorical question. If we examine the liberal Jewish population, we would consider them to be non-believers. I am quite sure that if you read the history of the Bolshevik revolution you will find that secular Jews persecuted and killed religious Jews and took over their temples, as they did with Christians.
16 posted on 03/08/2005 8:47:57 AM PST by watchdog_writer
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To: cookcounty; followerofchrist

Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say,
'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" [Psalm 118:26]

Barukh haba b'Shem Adonai
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord
Y'shua HaMashiach


17 posted on 03/08/2005 9:01:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: ZGuy

http://www.rb.org.il/noahide/noahcom10.htm

...Most rabbinic authorities associated with positions of spiritual leadership in the Torah-observant Jewish community have taken one or the other of two positions regarding "interfaith dialogue" and "interfaith cooperation".

One position, advanced by Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik of blessed memory in 1965 in the Torah observant ("Orthodox") quarterly "Tradition", in an article entitled "Confrontation", stated that the Torah observant community should not participate in interfaith dialogue, but it could and should involve itself in interfaith cooperation [on shared social issues].

The other position, advanced by Rabbi Moshe Feinstein of blessed memory in his responsa collection, "Igrot Moshe", was that the Torah observant community should neither participate in interfaith dialogue nor interfaith cooperation...

...There are also Evangelical Christians who covertly use forums for "interfaith dialogue" as a come-on for proselytism. In private discussions among themselves which have come to our attention, Evangelicals openly acknowledge this intentional misuse of "dialogue"...


18 posted on 03/08/2005 9:24:33 AM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Evangelical Christians MUST support Israel unconditionally, we are commanded to, and we are all going to have to SCRATCH the surface VERY hard sometimes to find out if the places we are sending our money, tithings, donations, missions support is ACTUALLY going to places that support Israel or oppose it.

We all individually have to go out on limbs, investigate and really find out where all individuals involved fall on these issues! Oftened I am talking to people who give all appearances of "supporting Israel" UNTIL they are asked in detail how they feel about issues only to find that they are talking out of both sides of their mouth so as to get all our cold hard cash so as to support Israel's enemies!
Assume nothing!
19 posted on 03/08/2005 11:50:30 AM PST by Esther Ruth (Zechariah 12:9 ... I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.)
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To: watchdog_writer

Figured it was retorical-but had to jump on it anyway
just for the unititiated.The left likes to make much of how
the Christians killed so many Jews during the Crusades.And
they insist Hitler was a Christian and . .. and . . . and --
but do agree with you in much .


20 posted on 03/08/2005 12:23:18 PM PST by StonyBurk
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