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Terri Schiavo Can Still be Rehabilitated, Nobel Prize-Nominated Doctor Says
Life Site News ^ | March 7, 2005 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 03/08/2005 6:17:53 AM PST by amdgmary

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To: DJ MacWoW
I have now asked you three times not to post to me. You have no interest in a truthful discourse.

Stop. I have no time for your obfuscation and misdirection. Your doctor you champion is a quack who overhypes his "credentials" - that alone is enough for me.

You have a view of the case you are trying to support through those facts you can find in your favor. I develop a view based upon the facts, good, bad, and other. That is, in your words, "talking past each other." There is nothing you could hear that would may you believe that Terri is functionally brain dead. Even though every qualified doctor who has interpreted the objective evidence says she is.

121 posted on 03/08/2005 4:40:28 PM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
No. What I am saying is that this guy is making a statement that is inconsistent with everything we know about brain function. Terri's cerebral cortex is gone. No one who can read a CT disputes that. There is no "therapy" that can replace it.

There are people who are capable of walking around despite brain damage sufficient that a CT scan would suggest they were dead. The fact that they can walk, therefore, would seem a more accurate assessment of the actual state of their brain than the CT.

If a doctor is taking an ECG of a patient on a treadmill and the waveform suddenly goes berzerk while the patient is running, should a doctor immediately call code, or should the doctor decide that since the patient is showing no conspicuous problem there is nothing grossly wrong with the heart--just a loose lead wire?

122 posted on 03/08/2005 4:45:29 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: lugsoul
Objective tests show her cerebral cortex is principally liquid. If Dr. Hammesfahr has an objective test that says otherwise, I've yet to hear about it. If he bases his disagreement on a different interpretation of the same scan, he isn't saying so.

How about this for a test procedure: hook Terri up to a polygraph, take a blood sample, and play some randomly-sequenced tape recordings of various people all in a neutral tone of voice saying various things. Then give the recordings (in different random order) and the polygraph readings to someone who wants Terri alive and see if that person can divide both pictures and polygraph readings into different categories. If Terri is PVS, it should be impossible to assign any grouping better than chance. If Terri gives polygraph responses that allow e.g. a statement from Michael Schiavo that he's going to kill her like he killed her cats, to be distinguished from a statement from her parents that she'll be fine if she can relax, that would objectively prove that she is not PVS.

As for the blood test, the purpose of that should be obvious.

123 posted on 03/08/2005 4:57:27 PM PST by supercat (For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
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To: supercat
"There are people who are capable of walking around despite brain damage sufficient that a CT scan would suggest they were dead. The fact that they can walk, therefore, would seem a more accurate assessment of the actual state of their brain than the CT".
Hmmmmm..........I think you should backup that statement with a cite. No science fiction movie titles please.....
124 posted on 03/08/2005 4:59:57 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort (s/v Musashi I)
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To: amdgmary; floriduh voter; phenn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


125 posted on 03/08/2005 9:29:30 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: ContraryMary; snapperjk
I found the PDF that says she needed 5 teeth pulled. It's at the bottom of the first page. It's number 1, bottom of the paragraph. 11 year neglect of routine dental care?! Oh my!

http://www.terrisfight.org/documents/110404objplancare.pdf

126 posted on 03/08/2005 10:10:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: Moonman62; amdgmary; DJ MacWoW
"Terri Schiavo's injury, hypoxic encephalopathy, ..."
Is that the technical term for being strangled by your husband?

terrisfight.org

127 posted on 03/08/2005 10:45:31 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: lugsoul
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell"

Amazing information on your homepage. Did you read it???

128 posted on 03/08/2005 11:14:50 PM PST by LADY J
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To: lugsoul

You, lugsoul, obviously can't read or observe and hence not worth having any type of discourse with.


129 posted on 03/09/2005 4:24:35 AM PST by True Republican Patriot
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks!


130 posted on 03/09/2005 4:54:44 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: DJ MacWoW

Regarding your PDF link to the petition in post #64...

That is one hell of a post. I had not previously read that petition. I hope others will.

I appears that Gibbs has been doing a very good job. It's just falling on deaf ears.

In addition to the failure to provide basic medical care and other necessities and comfort, I was interested to see the allegation that Michael (the "guardian" -- now there's a laugh!) has spent more than $500,000 of Terri's trust money on attorney's fee's in attempt to have her life terminated.

I had previously read a FR post which provided a simple accounting of money in and money out of the trust. I can't recall which thread it was in or who posted it, but I have recently been thinking about it.

My recollection is that virtually ALL the money out has gone to attorey's fees. That is right along, ever since the award was made.

I also recall a photo being posted here of Michael's new Mercedes.

I spent 26 years as a stockbroker. I have dealt with many trusts and trustees.

(I'm tapping my fingures -- something I habitually do when I am annoyed.)

This is wrong. A trustee should not do those sorts of things. The words "guardian" and "trustee" mean something. At least they are supposed to mean something.

Michael is neither. He has a judge who has taken his side and who has gone deaf otherwise.

ContraryMary and some others make good points, but there is no way I can add this up to a just outcome.

If Michael doesn't want her (which is clear), I'll take her. I'll go get her today.


131 posted on 03/09/2005 5:03:46 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Here we go again with the Hammesfahr's Nobel Prize nonsense.

Here we go again with the
"Terri must prove she can be rehabilitated before she deserves to live" nonsense.

Terri does not deserve starvation any more than the rest of us imperfect humans deserve starvation.

132 posted on 03/09/2005 6:30:30 AM PST by syriacus (Was Margaret Hassan kidnapped because she knew the Oil for Food program failed to aid Iraqis?)
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To: The Other Harry
That is one hell of a post. I had not previously read that petition. I hope others will.

Thank you. I try to read court documents for my info and backup my statements with links.

It appears that Gibbs has been doing a very good job. It's just falling on deaf ears

And therein lies the crux of the matter. Terri could walk into court and ask to live and she'd be told she's PVS.

In addition to the failure to provide basic medical care and other necessities and comfort, I was interested to see the allegation that Michael (the "guardian" -- now there's a laugh!) has spent more than $500,000 of Terri's trust money on attorney's fee's in attempt to have her life terminated.

This whole thing is shameful.

133 posted on 03/09/2005 7:26:37 AM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

134 posted on 03/09/2005 8:24:03 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
This whole thing is shameful.

I think it's criminal. It has the color of judicial sanction, but it is outright criminal.

That was Terri's money.

It is just as well that I don't live in Florida. I'd get liquored up some night and do some things that would get me put in jail for a long time.

Judge Greer would be removed from the bench with prejudice, and Michael's new Mercedes would need a little body work. His half-million dollar home and fancy swimming pool would not be quite so inviting in the morning.

135 posted on 03/09/2005 9:51:58 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: syriacus

What are you? Dyslexic? If you haven't got anything to say that's relevant to the post, quit wasting your time.


136 posted on 03/09/2005 10:46:29 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort (s/v Musashi I)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I found the PDF Thank you.
137 posted on 03/09/2005 4:15:16 PM PST by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: snapperjk; ContraryMary
Thank you.

You're welcome.

139 posted on 03/09/2005 4:35:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Life support. canned, frozen or fresh, it's good for you!)
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To: Popman

An honorable position on this sensitive matter is not bolstered with bogus rationale: this "doctor" is a quack, and it undermines your case to rely on him.

http://www.unix-girl.com/blog/archives/001732.html


140 posted on 03/22/2005 7:41:16 PM PST by Steve Friedl (Don't support your case with bogus arguments)
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