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Showdown at border?
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 7, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 03/07/2005 10:45:02 PM PST by Dan Evans

Violent, terror-connected gang threatens to confront civilian immigration patrols.

It looks like there is going to be a second "showdown at the OK Corral" in Tombstone, Ariz., April 1.

A leader of the violent, terror-connected Latin American gang Mara Salvatruchas, Ebner Anivel Rivera-Paz, has reportedly issued orders from federal prison to members of his international criminal organization to teach a lesson to a group of Americans taking border control into their own hands.

The American civilians, known as the "Minutemen," say they have some 750 volunteers ready to show up in Tombstone to start policing the border and dealing with illegal immigration.

The Mara Salvatruchas, founded in Los Angeles, has become one of the most violent and widespread gangs throughout South America, the U.S. and even Canada. Many of its members and leaders have been deported from the U.S., but the group is said to be deeply involved in cross-border arms-running and drug-smuggling operations, according to U.S. law enforcement sources.

Lately, the gang has joined forces with former members of the Farabundo Mart�ational Liberation Front, a radical terrorist group, and some U.S. intelligence sources say they may also be cooperating with Islamic terrorist groups – including al-Qaida.

Meanwhile, the Minutemen hope to form a group of civilians from all walks of life to patrol the border day and night – even with the threat of such violence. Their goal is stop the flow of illegal immigration through the Arizona-Mexico border, the biggest entry point into the U.S.

Jim Gilchrist of Orange County, Calif., is leading the project.

"I struck the mother lode of nationalism," he told a local TV station. "I thought I would be lucky to get 12 volunteers. In six months, I've gotten almost 500."

The target is a 230-mile stretch of desert along the Arizona-Mexico border. Some people call the area "America's Open Door." Along this section of the border, more than 43 percent of all illegal entries to the U.S. take place.

Last year, the Tucson Border Patrol apprehended 491,000. But for every person caught, immigration sources say, at least five walk in undetected.

"We're going to set up at least 40 maybe 80 outposts, four to six people per outpost 24/7, looking for people who are infiltrating over that border," said Gilchrist.

To do this, Gilchrist is amassing people from all walks of life to spend a month camped out on the border.

But some say taking the work of border patrol into their own hands could be deadly. While Gilchrist stresses non-violence, he doesn't rule out the possibility that many of his volunteers will be armed.

"Ten percent of our members are retired law enforcement officers who have a right to carry a concealed weapon. They probably will carry and you won't know it," he said.

But Andy Adame with the U.S. Border Patrol in Tucson warned "people are going to get hurt." Adame said many of these volunteers don't know what they're in for.

"When you have untrained civilians, that are armed, that are out in the middle of the desert, in the middle of the night, in the dark, and they meet up with one of these smuggling organizations ... you're going to have a gun fight," said Adame.

Border patrol agents have seen a growing problem with violence in recent years. Agents have been attacked by frustrated smugglers with rocks, bricks, even automatic weapons.

According to authorities, violence along the Tucson sector has climbed to an all-time high.

"Bringing untrained civilians into this border environment is a recipe for disaster," said Adame.

But that has not deterred many of the volunteers.

The Minutemen even have an air force. They plan to use about two dozen aircraft to patrol the skies near the border.

Rivera-Paz was arrested three weeks ago and is accused of murdering more than two dozen people in Honduras. He was wanted in connection with the December bus massacre of 28 people, including six children, in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

The Mara Salvatruchas identify themselves with tattoos, such as "MS" or the numbers 13 and 18, signifying their relationship to the gang. The gang formed in the United States in the 1980s in a Los Angeles prison. The 13 and 18 signify the city streets in L.A. where they hung out.

U.S. officials are concerned the gang members might help sneak al-Qaida terrorists into America.

Rivera-Paz was charged with illegally entering the United States after being deported, but is expected to be extradited to Honduras to face charges in connection with the bus massacre.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; immigration; mexicanborder; minuteman; minutemanproject; minutemen; patrol
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To: Dan Evans

Apparently they're "oversubscribed," and the concept of crossfire and friendly fire no doubt has not escaped them. They still want active and former LEOs (who are not trained for this sort of thing, anyway, by and large) and former LRRPers.....


21 posted on 03/07/2005 11:14:11 PM PST by tracer
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To: k2blader
What did you write in your post #2 that it got deleted?
22 posted on 03/07/2005 11:14:29 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: drt1

I like it, although I think the BP agents in the field are doing as much as they can. It seems like their "higher-ups" are the problem.


24 posted on 03/07/2005 11:15:36 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: sarah_f
"The administration will come down squarely on the side of the foreign gang. American patriots will be shot and go to federal prison."

You give the Feds too much -- or too little -- credit. They will not enjoy the comforts of Ruby Ridge and Waco if they get froggy in this situation....

25 posted on 03/07/2005 11:17:08 PM PST by tracer
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To: Cultural Jihad

If I posted it here, wouldn't it just get pulled again? *LOL*

Someone must've been riding the abuse button. The most unpleasant word I used was "turd".


26 posted on 03/07/2005 11:18:50 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: antoninartaud; clee1
If there ever is any type of violence I will lay the blame for it at the feet of the US Gov't who, in their apathy and Globalist Elitism, have allowed this situation to get to the point where many decent and law abiding citizens see no other path than to take these actions.

Shame on our Officials for ignoring this problem in the face of the overwhelming demands of the people to stop the intrusion of Illegals into the US, our public benefit systems and our security.

27 posted on 03/07/2005 11:19:47 PM PST by drt1
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To: k2blader
I aree. The line Agent is stuck between enforcing the Law and these gigolo's who run the Agencies - AKA Our elected officials.
28 posted on 03/07/2005 11:21:38 PM PST by drt1
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To: tracer; Admin Moderator
Your parody of "Kill a Vermin Brown-Skinned Jaywalker for Jesus" shtick was pretty bad. I give it a 2 in originality, a 0 in believability of earnestness, and a 1 in delivery.
29 posted on 03/07/2005 11:22:00 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: drt1
Agreed.

The PEOPLE are the power in this country; forget what the liberals and RINOs would have you believe. The Government gets its power to ACT from us. Not the other way around. The Godd**n goobermint seems to forget this simple fact.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security...

30 posted on 03/07/2005 11:26:52 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Dan Evans

LoL!!!


32 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:19 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: drt1
The line Agent is stuck between enforcing the Law and these gigolo's who run the Agencies - AKA Our elected officials.

Well worth repeating!

33 posted on 03/07/2005 11:27:56 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Dan Evans
The problem is that many of those "minutemen" are white supremacists. There was a link to their website to let people see for themselves. FR does not need to be associated with this.
34 posted on 03/07/2005 11:28:09 PM PST by Ruth A.
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To: Ruth A.

Please provide that link.


35 posted on 03/07/2005 11:29:19 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: sarah_f

"The administration will come down squarely on the side of the foreign gang. American patriots will be shot and go to federal prison."

You got it point on. When it comes to rights, we know which side the govenment will come down on. It is not a good thing to be an AMERICAN versus illegals & drug smuggling pimp perps.


36 posted on 03/07/2005 11:29:34 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Read the Bible wherein He advised His disciples to sell their extra cloaks and buy a sword if they did not have one.

And no less a personage than Peter, "The Rock," smote off the ear of a Roman soldier who was attempting to arrest the Savior, who restored said ear and probably saved the life of Peter and all of His other followers who were present.

And it seems odd and ironic that a person who voluntarily chose the screen name "Cultural Jihad" would have the chutzpah to bring up the subject of another's credibility. Put down the Koran and pick up and read the New Testament before blathering and pontificating concerning matters about which you so obviously know little....

37 posted on 03/07/2005 11:30:32 PM PST by tracer
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To: drt1

Very good. Yes, just temporary guest workers.


38 posted on 03/07/2005 11:30:57 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: antoninartaud

Illegal aliens flooding across the border? No problem.

Publicly embarassing the federal government and the administration? Hard time or worse.


39 posted on 03/07/2005 11:33:58 PM PST by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: tracer

So you have a sword, as the Bible directs you to buy. And there's Juan, the pious dishwasher who wants to come to Rico America and work hard and support his family, and he sees you in front of him, carrying your Holy Sword. What happens next, sport?


40 posted on 03/07/2005 11:34:59 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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