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To: rellimpank
"I saw figures on solar cells indicating that the electrical requirements of the LA basin would require panels covering an area equal to Arizona."

Since the LA basin accounts for something like 1/4 of electrical consumption in California, such a solar system could not be tied to the conventional grid. Therefore, line 6 in the table below, would have to be divided by three. In other words, you would only get 7 deliverable watts per square meter of PV panel. The cost would be astronomical. Moreover, it would consume the entire world's production of solar cells for about a decade. For these reasons alone, only California would consider such idiocy.


 

The Inefficiencies of Solar Power
(Based upon a horizontal PV array located at
the average continental U.S. latitude of 38º.)

ref. source loss
(%)
power
(per m2)
1.
Solar flux
-
1,368 W  
2.
Atmospheric losses
45
752 W  
3.
Night times losses
50
376 W  
4.
Solar angle losses
50
188 W  
5.
Cell conversion losses
88
22.6 W  
6.
DC®AC inverter losses
10
20.3 W  
7.
Net efficiency
 
1.5%  
8.
Net energy             (per m2 per day)
 
0.5 kWh  
9.
Value of energy     (per m2 per day)
 
4.3 ¢  
10.
Solar panel cost               (per m2)
 
$530  
11.
Payback period
 
33 years  
Notes:  
1. Above the atmosphere. Compare to solar constant.
2. Loss = atmos. absorp. + atmos. reflect. + cloud absorp. + cloud reflect. See additional references: 1,   2,   3,
3. Necessary for calculating average daily value of energy production.
4. Effect of solar angle on efficiency. Line 4 equals 4.5kWh per day. Compare to U.S. Average Daily Solar Radiation.
5. Shell SQ175-PC, including specified de-rating for cell temperature and irradiance level.
6. 5kW modular, certified, grid-interactive, inverter.
7. Line 6 divided by line 1.
8. Line 6 times 86,400 and divided by 3.6E6.
9. From 2004 DOE stats for average U.S. residential price.
10. Shell SQ175-PC solar panel, $699, 1.32m2 area.
11. Exclusive of installation, inverter, interest, etc.

--Boot Hill

215 posted on 03/08/2005 4:00:55 PM PST by Boot Hill ("...and Josuha went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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To: Boot Hill
--great info which I will keep for future reference.

As another aside to the hydrogen stuff, on my annual vacation pilgrimage to Wisconsin, I usually end up getting a few dirty looks after having questioned why the tractors cultivating corn to be made into ethanol aren't using it instead of diesel fuel--

216 posted on 03/08/2005 4:32:03 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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