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The Secret to Man's Aggression: in His Finger?
Health - Reuters ^ | Fri Mar 4, 2005 | Alison McCook

Posted on 03/05/2005 5:48:53 AM PST by Pharmboy

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - How long a man's second finger is relative to his fourth finger appears to predict whether he is prone to be physically aggressive toward others, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada.

But it's not finger length that causes aggression, study author Allison A. Bailey warned in an interview.

She explained that the important factor is the male hormone testosterone. Fetuses are exposed to various levels of this hormone in the womb, and research shows that men who were exposed to higher levels tend to have shorter second fingers, relative to their fourth fingers. "More testosterone, relatively longer ring finger," co-author Dr. Peter L. Hurd told Reuters Health.

Men with shorter second fingers were probably exposed to more testosterone in the womb, and this may cause them to be more prone to physical aggression later in life, Bailey explained. "More testosterone in the womb predicts more physical aggression in men," she told Reuters Health.

Alternatively, both testosterone exposure and finger length may be influenced by a "deeper third variable," Hurd noted. Regardless, the study shows that "events in the womb can have subtle effects on children's personality," Hurd added.

This is not the first study to link the ratio between a man's second and fourth fingers to his personality, Bailey noted. Previous reports have found that men with smaller ratios - meaning, their second finger is much smaller than their fourth - tend to do better in sports, and are perceived as more dominant and masculine by women.

However, other research has shown that men with smaller second-to-fourth finger ratios are at higher risk of autism and immune deficiency.

To investigate how finger ratios match up with physical aggression, Bailey and Hurd measured the finger ratios in 298 psychology students, and asked them to complete a questionnaire measuring aggression.

The questionnaire measured four types of aggression, Bailey noted: physical ("if someone hits me, I hit back"), anger ("I flare up quickly"), hostility ("I am often eaten up by jealousy"), and verbal ("I tell my friends when I disagree with them").

The researchers found that shorter second-to-fourth finger ratios predicted proneness to physical aggression, but not other types of aggression, and only in men, not in women.

In general, men had smaller finger ratios than women, the authors report in the journal Biological Psychology.

Bailey cautioned that these findings only link a shorter finger ratio to a tendency toward physical aggression, and do not show that men with shorter ratios are actually more aggressive. "Somebody might never have acted on anything," she said.

Moreover, behavior is influenced by many other factors, Bailey added. Finger ratios are "just one piece of the puzzle," she said.

SOURCE: Biological Psychology, March 2005.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aggression; development; finger; fingers; frankzappa; hormones; inutero; junkscience; male; malehormones; maleness; pointstoponder; testosterone
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To: oceanperch

I can't quite fit the elphant joke in here.

Something about measuring out in quarts...


61 posted on 03/05/2005 6:44:54 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: KarlInOhio

I can't believe no one is calling finger #2 the TRIGGER finger!

Jeez...y'all need a whack upside your head!


62 posted on 03/05/2005 6:45:22 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Pharmboy
These results are consistent with the hypothesis that testosterone has an organizational effect on adult physical aggression in men.

Well, this adds some clarity to the discussion. IOW, they agree with a pre-concieved notion that men should be drugged to reduce their testosterone levels so they won't ever want to go to war and kill people and break things.

I agree with the previous poster who called this what it is - JUNK SCIENCE!!!!!!

And, considering that this comes from a Canadian University, their conclusion underscores MY conclusion that people who live in a socialist wonderland want to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya" with the Muslims that are about to cut their heads off.

Too bad Canadian men have succumbed to the socialist wussy policy.

Since Canada is ceding their national defense to the US, the men in Canada are doing other manly things like developing quilting clubs and makeup classes.
63 posted on 03/05/2005 6:47:02 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: null and void

Indeed...I think you hit the proverbial nail on its head: I had not had my second cup.


64 posted on 03/05/2005 6:47:49 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

Who has that photo of John Kerry and his very looooong finger, pointing at something? Exactly which finger was that?


65 posted on 03/05/2005 6:51:09 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: headsonpikes
I can't believe no one is calling finger #2 the TRIGGER finger!

Gosh, and our ancestors didn't even need a scientific study to figure that out!

66 posted on 03/05/2005 6:51:44 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: i_dont_chat
How about this one?


67 posted on 03/05/2005 6:53:22 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: headsonpikes

Good point.


68 posted on 03/05/2005 6:53:54 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: Pharmboy

My second finger and fourth finger are precisely the same length...I'll be glad to either discuss it with you or kick your butt!


69 posted on 03/05/2005 6:56:27 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: DustyMoment
Since Canada is ceding their national defense to the US...

*gentle cough*

Actually, they won't let us shoot down missles over their territory, even if they are targeted at their own cities, unless we get their permission first...

70 posted on 03/05/2005 6:56:47 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: Pharmboy

*shrug* Takes one to know one.


71 posted on 03/05/2005 6:57:27 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: Pharmboy

And violent criminals have a new excuse to relieve them of any responsibility for their own actions.

The new defense will be Long Finger Syndrome. Wonder how long it will be before a lawyer tries it?

Even scarier....how long will it be before there is discussion of how to control the amount of testerone a fetus is exposed to in the womb? Will there be calls for protection of hyper-testosterone exposed fetuses from abortion? Probably NOT!



72 posted on 03/05/2005 6:57:34 AM PST by kalee (Kalee's Tinfoil Bonnets, purveyor of stylish tinfoil millinery since 2000.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

If it doesn't fit, you have to acquit.


73 posted on 03/05/2005 7:00:23 AM PST by embedded_rebel
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To: Pharmboy

My second finger is shorter than the fourth, but I can still get my gloves on. On the other hand, I've never been able to wear boxers.


74 posted on 03/05/2005 7:02:36 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: cyborg
So I assume that from now on you will examine the finger length/ratios of all prospective suitors.

( :-D

75 posted on 03/05/2005 7:05:13 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Pharmboy

Yeah and his feet.


76 posted on 03/05/2005 7:05:53 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Pharmboy

My left hand qualifies as very aggressive, but my right hand is normal. I guess I'm supposed to go try to beat the daylights out of someone with my dominant arm tied behind my back.........


77 posted on 03/05/2005 7:08:50 AM PST by awelliott
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To: cyborg

A short arm inspection might be appropriate, too...


78 posted on 03/05/2005 7:09:10 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: null and void

I'll just have to look at everything then :o)


79 posted on 03/05/2005 7:09:49 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
OK. Here's me:


80 posted on 03/05/2005 7:13:45 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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