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The Secret to Man's Aggression: in His Finger?
Health - Reuters ^ | Fri Mar 4, 2005 | Alison McCook

Posted on 03/05/2005 5:48:53 AM PST by Pharmboy

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - How long a man's second finger is relative to his fourth finger appears to predict whether he is prone to be physically aggressive toward others, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada.

But it's not finger length that causes aggression, study author Allison A. Bailey warned in an interview.

She explained that the important factor is the male hormone testosterone. Fetuses are exposed to various levels of this hormone in the womb, and research shows that men who were exposed to higher levels tend to have shorter second fingers, relative to their fourth fingers. "More testosterone, relatively longer ring finger," co-author Dr. Peter L. Hurd told Reuters Health.

Men with shorter second fingers were probably exposed to more testosterone in the womb, and this may cause them to be more prone to physical aggression later in life, Bailey explained. "More testosterone in the womb predicts more physical aggression in men," she told Reuters Health.

Alternatively, both testosterone exposure and finger length may be influenced by a "deeper third variable," Hurd noted. Regardless, the study shows that "events in the womb can have subtle effects on children's personality," Hurd added.

This is not the first study to link the ratio between a man's second and fourth fingers to his personality, Bailey noted. Previous reports have found that men with smaller ratios - meaning, their second finger is much smaller than their fourth - tend to do better in sports, and are perceived as more dominant and masculine by women.

However, other research has shown that men with smaller second-to-fourth finger ratios are at higher risk of autism and immune deficiency.

To investigate how finger ratios match up with physical aggression, Bailey and Hurd measured the finger ratios in 298 psychology students, and asked them to complete a questionnaire measuring aggression.

The questionnaire measured four types of aggression, Bailey noted: physical ("if someone hits me, I hit back"), anger ("I flare up quickly"), hostility ("I am often eaten up by jealousy"), and verbal ("I tell my friends when I disagree with them").

The researchers found that shorter second-to-fourth finger ratios predicted proneness to physical aggression, but not other types of aggression, and only in men, not in women.

In general, men had smaller finger ratios than women, the authors report in the journal Biological Psychology.

Bailey cautioned that these findings only link a shorter finger ratio to a tendency toward physical aggression, and do not show that men with shorter ratios are actually more aggressive. "Somebody might never have acted on anything," she said.

Moreover, behavior is influenced by many other factors, Bailey added. Finger ratios are "just one piece of the puzzle," she said.

SOURCE: Biological Psychology, March 2005.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aggression; development; finger; fingers; frankzappa; hormones; inutero; junkscience; male; malehormones; maleness; pointstoponder; testosterone
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To: Pharmboy
Every guy out in Freeperland is now looking at their hands.

Followed by grabbing their package, saying "Aarrrgh," and then scratching their armpit.

Men are so predictable.

101 posted on 03/05/2005 7:47:55 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: null and void

LOL


102 posted on 03/05/2005 7:49:48 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg
Yeah and his feet.

What's the deal with the feet? I missed that one.

103 posted on 03/05/2005 7:50:33 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

The larger the foot size, the larger the member... but too long and it's like putting a foot long hotdog in a six inch bun.


104 posted on 03/05/2005 7:52:47 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

LOL! Gotcha.


105 posted on 03/05/2005 7:55:16 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress

you're most welcome ;o)


106 posted on 03/05/2005 7:55:55 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nita Nupress

We can't hep' it--testosterone poisoning!


107 posted on 03/05/2005 7:57:45 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Nita Nupress

bump!


108 posted on 03/05/2005 7:58:30 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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An’ applied rotation on her sugar plum...


109 posted on 03/05/2005 8:05:45 AM PST by csvset
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To: Pharmboy

Phrenology returns. (study of bumps on the head)

People get paid for this manure?


110 posted on 03/05/2005 8:07:40 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Pharmboy
Conversely those with the second and forth fingers of equal length are prone to PMS, require 80 pairs of shoes and matching curtains with towels.

(sarc off)
111 posted on 03/05/2005 8:17:42 AM PST by Smartaleck
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To: longtermmemmory

Sadly, our local newspaper put this on the front page a few days ago. I think that this is junk science (really beyond junk science), but I also feel that a lot of people will read it and take it literally.


112 posted on 03/05/2005 8:28:38 AM PST by Essie
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

My index finger is quite a bit shorter than my ring finger, so GET READY TO BE FLAMED!


113 posted on 03/05/2005 9:51:16 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Pharmboy

About three years ago there was a study which concerned the ratio of the length of a woman's second and fourth fingers and a correlation to lesbian tendencies. Among my daughter's friends the one girl who fit the "lesbian finger length ratio" profile was not a lesbian but she was and is a great athlete. Please see http://www.handresearch.com/hand/Evolutie/wwwscience2003asbfeb23Engels.htm


114 posted on 03/05/2005 10:08:35 AM PST by tyou50
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To: expatpat
And here I always thought it was an elongated third finger that portended violence.


115 posted on 03/05/2005 10:11:10 AM PST by Azzurri
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To: Azzurri

Those soccer hooligans start early, don't they? He's probably dissing the Ajax team.


116 posted on 03/05/2005 10:16:57 AM PST by expatpat
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To: tyou50

Thanks...I had a vague memory of that thread.


117 posted on 03/05/2005 10:21:26 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: KarlInOhio; ThisLittleLightofMine; Pharmboy; Bostton1

It's from Reuters, so they are using British terminology where the thumb is the first finger, index finger is the second finger, and so on to the pinkie being the fifth finger.


118 posted on 03/05/2005 10:22:05 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Pharmboy

Help please. I still dont get it. My index finger is shorter than my ring finger, more so on my left hand than my right. I know myself to be very aggressive by nature.

Thus I should fit the profile, if I could understood what the article said. Is it having index short than ring finger that means aggressive, or is it the percentage of length that the index is shorter than the ring that their study is about? Or is it the opposite that is supposed to imply aggressive tendencies.


119 posted on 03/05/2005 10:22:25 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: NetValue
Technically the THUMB is not a finger. So Mr Pointer is the FIRST finger; The Bird is the SECOND finger; The Ringie is the THIRD finger; and the Pinkie is the FOURTH.

Maybe here, but the article is from Reuters and they are using British terminology where the thumb is the first finger and the pinkie is the fifth.

120 posted on 03/05/2005 10:26:23 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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