Posted on 03/05/2005 4:42:38 AM PST by Truth666
Lots of information pouring in:
13:04 Sgrena contradicts the US: the car wasn't speeding
13:11 americans knew we were coming -they were 700 meters away from the airport, which meant they passed already all the controls
13:19 shooting took place while italians had the italian government (Palazzo Chigi ) in the mobile phones
This Communist "reporter", like all commies, socialists and liberals, will tell any lie to advance the party agenda.
Basically, were up to shady business... but in the end they just thought that 'clearance' would allow them to 'speed through' a checkpoint, not just stop and then move trough.
They gambled that the solders would rather err on the 'side of caution' (in his POV) and not fire on what was *probabbly* an authorized vehicle.
They didn't want to stop and take the chance of answering questions about who they were and what they were doing and how they got the person back, etc.
Someone? You mean that the Italian intelligence agents in control of the car wanted to provoke an incident, which caused one of them to be killed and the other wounded? The explanation may be less complicated and more obvious. Maybe, the Italians believed that the checkpoint had been notified beforehand that they were coming and just be waived through. The US soldiers manning the checkpoint were unaware of any such information and reacted by the book. It was an accident.
I can recall the irrational reaction of the Canadian media some time ago when a couple of our pilots in Afghanistan killed some Canadian soldiers on the ground in a friendly fire incident. They wanted them prosecuted. Further investigation revealed miscommunications were the cause.
Maybe we should buy the Eason Jordan theory that the US targets reporters as a matter of policy.
With the new millenium the Italian Marxists initiated a policy of total cooperation with the Muslim Islamists. They already were working hand in glove with the Palestinian terrorist organizations Hamas and Islamic Jihad; The Marxists collected funds for them and worked closely with Islamic Relief Italia.
Following 9/11 they had to be more circumspect. Nonetheless, the Marxists have continued their alliance with the Islamists and Rome's large Muslim Brother community, and in Milan, where the Islamic Center of Milan served as the most important Al Qaeda center in Europe.
And that was necessary because????
You cannot even do that in this country, much less a dicey place like that.
Either someone in that car wanted a incident, or they were as dumb as rocks.
She has alrady accomplished one of her goals. Stir up trouble for the U.S. and an coalition ally: U.S.-Italy Relations Chilled by Killing of Reporter
That is whole different other story. I agree that ransoms should not be paid. Obviously, Berlusconi must deal with domestic political considerations. The Italian Communists in their various forms still have a significant influence on the body politic.
Actually, it was their stupid strobe lights.
That crack about Eason is uncalled for.
The Italians want out, the Bathists want America embarrassed, and they are in Italy as well.
The woman is a anti American journalist, and Eason was pushing this idea i Europe about intentionally targeting journalists. All the funny business going on in Spain and Italy politically have created some connections for all these dots of interest.
Sure, accidents happen. But that car had some supposedly cool and experienced heads. These things don't happen with cool heads in charge. One wonders if the driver had a second set of instructions, or if the woman was pushing them to do what they did.
In any case, we have nothing to apologize for, and that is what they want.
This incident will cause no changes at that checkpoint, and if it does, we are the fools.
Without having the facts, I can't comment on why they might have possibly been under the impression that they had been given permission to bypass or be waived through the checkpoint. I have no idea how clogged up or busy the checkpoint was. Perhaps, the Italians thought there was some danger involved in being in a long queque and just decided to go to the head of the line. We can speculate all kinds of things, but of this I can be fairly certain, neither the Americans or the Italian agents wanted this to happen. It was not intentional.
I have a feeling the grapevine on the camps will be humming tomorrow about this.
Of course, if we do happen to hear the real story, we'll probably be prohibited from talking about it to anyone on the outside.
It's amazing what I've had to keep locked up in "the vault." ;-)
They seem clear and complete to me.
I don't know what more they can add.
You will get no further facts, just allegations.
Let's wait for the facts to come out before reaching the conclusion that we have nothing to apologize for. Obviously, there was some miscommunication and misunderstandings, which need to resolved. As I stated previously, the Italian intelligence agents operating the vehicle were not on a suicide mission, regardless of who was a passenger in the car. I don't believe that the Italian government cooked up the incident to hasten the departure of Italian forces from Iraq.
Thank you for your support. We appreciate our Italian allies so much more than is shown in this thread.
I regret any of our allies had to die in this incident. I've read several different articles about this incident and there seems to be a little confusion about what actually happened. One thing that seems to be common throughout what I've read is their car was bearing down on one of our checkpoints.
At the risk of appearing presumptious, it would seem most of the coalition understands the ramifications of running through a checkpoint. Thoughts and actions are necessary in a split second. "Why aren't they stopping? Are they going to blow up the checkpoint? etc."
All of the justification in the world isn't going to change the American soldiers second guessing their actions and decisions that day.
If you can, please spread the word that we appreciate having the Italians as our allies. We would never deliberately do anything to harm our friends.
Occam's Razor would suggest the dumb as rocks theory.
None of the checkpoints are straight through shots, all are serpentine. But one might not know about that before hand.
From VOA: President Bush telephoned Italy's prime minister to express regret for the shooting and promised a full investigation.
If there are no further facts to be obtained, why conduct an investigation?
LOL! You really need to ask that question?
It is window dressing.
What these people want is a U.N. investigation.......It's coming......Look for charges to be filed in the Haig.
I also don't think that any lack of coordination was the responsibility of our side (US). If you want to run an intelligence operation in a hostile area, and your big brother has all the avenues tied down, it's up to you (Italy) to make sure the other guy knows what's happening and what his role should be.
This just sounds like the Italians tried to get cute all on their own and waited too long to let us in on the joke. Waiting too long might well have had to do with the terrorists acting too quickly in carrying out THEIR part of the charade by letting watzername go too soon.
Until the results of the investigation are known, I reserve judgment on what are "facts" in this case. It was a tragedy regardless of what caused the accident, especially for the family and friends of the man who lost his life.
She's A communist and Islamic sympathizer? Interesting.
I'd just like you to know we don't hold you to blame. We appreciate the alliance.
It is this woman we are suspect of. And it is the MSM in your country aligned with her to overthrow the alliance and Berlusconi that are the problem.
We're going to be fine. It's how Berlusconi navigates through the Traitorous MSM that is seeking to whip your country into hysteria that is the problem. We know who the real enemy is, but unfortuantely I don't think you have the alternative news apparatus we do to combat the traitors in the press.
Anything we can do to help, let us know. I'd hate to lose Berlusconi but I know this woman and her friends in the media are after his throat.
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