Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie
LOL - with the stuff that I have been called over the years "underhanded" is almost a compliment!
Sounds more like some Islamic nut jobs set up some ignorant locals to take the fall. I'm not trusting this. Druggies don't put that much effort into killing their victims. Besides, most druggies are NOT murderers.
"Sounds more like some Islamic nut jobs set up some ignorant locals to take the fall."
Do you still get your 72 virgins if you give the "credit" to infidels ?
Not a very terrorist-type thing to try to make it look like a robbery...
And most druggies aren't nabbed selling a pound of cocaine, and
most druggies don't have a large debt hanging over them.
You know what? Most American Muslims are NOT murderers either, but that doesn't stop people from being "sure" this was committed by Muslims.
However, the objective observer might note that the percentage of druggies who are murderers is larger than the percentage of Muslims in this country.
HA! Your feeble 'logic' is no match for our 'Super-Powered Jerking-Knees'!
I hear "girlfriend" sometimes, and in other reports it was the alleged murderer's "wife"...did he get married recently?
That may be true, but this was very calculated and not a typical means of killing for your basic robber/drug dealer. Mobster, maybe, but even that seems out of context with these murders. They had a very Islamic flavor to them. I'm not ruling out other possiblities, but this story just doesn't ring true.
You don't quite get it...
They didn't want to rob the "place"...they were after funds that the family had saved to start a business. This required confrontation of the occupants--something that is more common in Canada and other places where criminals aren't afraid of encountering homeowners, but in New Jersey, there was a low chance of the victims being armed, so it's not inconceivable that they'd be confronted.
Of course, lefties forget that little point when they want to disarm us all.
You don't quite get it...
They didn't want to rob the "place"...they were after funds that the family had saved to start a business. This required confrontation of the occupants--something that is more common in Canada and other places where criminals aren't afraid of encountering homeowners, but in New Jersey, there was a low chance of the victims being armed, so it's not inconceivable that they'd be confronted.
Of course, lefties forget that little point when they want to disarm us all.
"They DIDN'T want to rob the place...they were after funds the family had saved ..."Where I come from, that's robbery, who was their ringleader, Kerry?
Then there's this mess:"This required confrontation of the occupants--something that is more common in Canada and other places where criminals aren't afraid of encountering homeowners, but in New Jersey, there was a low chance of the victims being armed, so it's not inconceivable that they'd be confronted."Sounds like the odds are the same in NJ and Canada for robbers confronting homeowners, what's your point?
Oh, is this it:Of course, lefties forget that little point when they want to disarm us all.I get it, this is YOUR way of trying to seem like "one of the boys" so to speak: "Damn Commies, they ain't takin' MY guns!" while you spend your time defending the rights of people who want to take away the rights of ALL those who disagree with them, the Islamofascists.
This case is NOT over, it is still all conjecture.
Just how do the authorities know that the youngest escaped and recognized the upstairs skel? Did HE confess it? Did they contact the chick that NBC show "Medium" is based on?
Where did this info come from?
Then there the death blows from "throats slashed" (initial reports) to "throats punctured" to the "two holes , almost drill-like, in the throats" to "stabbed multiple times in the head and throat", finally back to "throats slashed" with the capture of "Butch McDermott and the Sobbing Kid".
Then there's all the other evidentiary problems : no money taken, wait, dad's wallets empty...Mom's jewelry's all here....they stole the jewelry, too...no, they didn't...etc.
You want to come here and gloat and ignore the gaps in evidence, after having been so quiet fo so long, I think you, Gondring, just like to be contrary and push people's buttons.
Sorry, the "conversation" ends here. I have no time for you or your nonsense, and that goes for all the others that are in league with you.
I converse with friends, I laugh at fools.
HA-HA.
The prosecutor has a big mouth, the MSM have their creative writers, they gotta sell the advertising that keeps the paper alive, the cops are being hounded by the powers-that-be to find the perps, the Copts are saying see, this is what we ran away from in Egypt and the muslims are saying wasn't me, wasn't me - all you Christians are nothing but bigots, and FReepers are naturally divided in their opinions, 'cos it's a free country and we're still allowed to agree to disagree...but something very important has been totally forgotten IMO.
Whats' that?
No one in the US, or in Oz, or the whole wide world would ever have pointed a finger at muslims if their clerics in mosques everywhere didn't preach, we, the Christians, the Jews, the Hindu, the calathumpians what have you, are filthy dirty kuffar, infidels whom allah doesn't want to live on this planet.
Look up "burglary" versus "robbery"
Note I put "place" in quotes.
The point is, there's a reason the perps had to go when the victims were there....they weren't interested in the contents of the dwelling necessarily, but instead they wanted what might have been the contents of a bank account.
Do you understand now, or must I use smaller words?
(The point about Canada and NJ was that in both cases, people are in more danger because criminals have less fear of confronting victims. It's a shame that in this case, there was no deterrent effect that might have prevented these perps from confronting the family directly. :-(
As for the rest...is your ad hominem attack a cover for being a gun-grabber? I have no insecurity about my conservative credentials...I am sure they are more impressive than yours. :-) My point has always been that there's a lot of contradictory reports on this...but that hasn't stopped many from jumping to conclusions and knee-jerking. Besides, I'm sure the police withheld much information they had, for use in their investigation and to confirm interrogation results.
At least you got one thing right...this is all conjecture. Now try telling that to those who did MORE than simply speculate.
I'm not begging you to respond.
Pigs! He cried, Pigs! LOL!
"No one in the US, or in Oz, or the whole wide world would ever have pointed a finger at muslims..."
Actually I think it had something to do with this-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356246/posts#131
Which may turn out to be like that mexican who made up the story of the chinese smuggling nuclear materials. Anyone who wants to start trouble can simply point at any murder and say a guy in a turban did it, and get some website to swallow the bait - when it turns out to be false, simply blame the giant government conspiracy.
"You want to come here and gloat and ignore the gaps in evidence, ..."
Since you point out the multitude of different stories given by the friends or relatives, how can you consider any of them as evidence at all ?
"This case is NOT over, it is still all conjecture."
Not quite all, unless you suspect that the video tapes of the perps using the victims ATM card were faked.
Nope, I'm not prepare to point the finger at Jihadwatch as the source for anything at all. The source of all the 'trouble' that muslims are complaining about (discrimination, religious persecution) is what comes out of the cleric's mouth. Allah is the greatest, allah wants all Jews to wiped off the face of the earth, everyone in the West is an infidel, a filthy kuffar that a 'good muslim' must not even touch, least of all make a friend of, and only the laws of allah apply to muslims, the laws of the land where they live are kuffar laws, not clean, (halal) not islam. Shall I go on?
Even muslims themselves are waking up in Oz, a group of twenty muslim organisations have petitioned for the removal of a radical imam from a mosque in one of our capital cities. If some muslims can see the cleric's wahhabi teachings are an evil source and influence, why can't you?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.asp?ID=12226&commentID260388
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12226
here we are....
...which then becomes the perfect cover for crimes, the perfect creation of disunity among free peoples, the perfect distraction from our vigilance against the jihadists or any others who want us to fall.
I love bacon.
I don't believe this for a NY minute...
That's phase two. Phase one starts in the mosque. D*mn, but I think you are onto something there...don't stop.
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