Posted on 03/04/2005 8:50:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge
teachers don't dare lay a hand on kids, believe me, I hear stories daily. They call the principle who can't do anything either. They get terrible problems if they touch a kid. So where does that leave them, what in hell are they supposed to do???
No TASER used.... ??
I did not lay the blame anywhere. From my view as an older person, the "blame" belongs to society. That would include, everyone, parents, teachers, schools etc. In early 40s, I saw the superintendent of schools son get knocked on his butt by a teacher. One good punch. The teacher was commended, the father punished the young man and he was made to apologize to the teacher for his original infraction.
There was no pro or con in the community or school.
Totally different society.
I would have gotten the "board of education" at school, then again when I got home.
You can't hit him. It encourages violence. Cuff him and take him to jail.
The other children in that classroom are no more or less important than the other children that I had in my "treatment room".
I'm not suggesting that they should have let him run wild and endanger the other children. You get the other children out, and then you try and calm down the one throwing the fit. And I also completely understand that teachers' hands are tied in the case of classroom discipline. It just frightens me that children are being arrested. Is the next step going to be to arrest a 4 year old who hits his daycare mate over the head with a plastic hammer? They should have arrested his parents and kept him from having that (possibly traumatic for a kid) experience. I just know that there are measures we can take to help these kids, and there are things we can do that only hurt them more. I think cuffing them and parading them around town in a cop car is not beneficial for a kid with behavior issues. Our children should be nurtured and cared for and taught through discipline and love. At age 8 there is still time to have a positive influence on that child and start helping him adjust better socially (because clearly he is having some problems). It just seems like we are giving up on our kids earlier and earlier. And that makes me sad.
Geez, just a little "acting out".
When my father was an elementary school principal, he once showed a disciplinary file the size of a phone book on a boy to the local police.
"Watch out for him," he said. "You'll be dealing with him in a few years."
The boy was eight years old at the time.
He was at least as bad, if not worse, than this boy. His home was not merely broken, but twisted, in a way I can't mention here.
That boy is now in his early twenties and doing hard time in maximum security.
There is nothing that can be done with children like that using methods acceptable to the pedagogical establishment.
I wasn't advocating violence, and don't buy that encouraging violence bit .. was simply reflecting old method from a day when a whack on the knuckles was an attention getter.
if this happened in my day, a piece of willow might have been more in order or likely.
Taking him to jail is a bit much, imo, but may be an life altering experience.
Makes ya wonder what happened to 'spare the rod, spoil the child', tho?
By replacing respect with PC tolerance, we have sealed our own fates,, and our society will continue to decay, imo
ouch.
A parent or teacher that refuses to address this type of behavior is negligent in their duties. We are all affected by the few who don't fulfill their responsibilities - most of all the child.
It appears that the parents refused to use corporal punishment and handed responsibility to the school who then did the same by calling the cops. What a sorry lot.
"Spare the rod, spoil the child." is not a joke.
give the kid some ritalin for the next few years. he'll be fine.
it sounds like an organic condition, with that one. agree there isn't much you can do,, he was probably on legal and otherwise dope his whole life too,,
there are folks like that, for sure.
the methods of catching and responding to aggressive and violent behavior by young incorrigibles or mentally challenged are not pretty,, but agreed, there are only so many options available.
society's safety, as a whole, needs to be maintained.
unfortunately, our prisons and youth authorities are already pretty full.
Unfortunately, we are hearing more and more of these stories about out-of-control youths, as parents are abdicating their God-given duty to discipline their children and raise them to have self-control. Our daughter knew from the time she was a baby what her limits were, and very seldom crossed the line. I am happy to say that she grew up to be a lovely young woman with a strong work-ethic and plans to raise her children the same way!
The principal would have gotten "Bertha" (a one-inch-thick oak paddle with holes in it to make it more aerodynamically correct) down from the wall and laid into me with it.
When you remove any ability of teachers to lay hands on kids, and I don't mean hitting, I mean restraining. When teachers are treated as criminals when they try to maintain order. When parents sue as they do.
Well, the police are the only recourse. BTW your sitting on that child could very easily, in any other setting or in your own, have resulted in criminal charges against you and suits against you and the school.
Of course I don't want kids being carted off to jail for crying out loud. No reasonable person wants that. But that is the logical outcome given what is happening now.
Until society trusts its teachers and schools to maintain discipline in the class room, this is going to get worse.
In the end what all this amounts to is the police are able to target younger and younger people and it's not raising an outcry. Well i suppose it doesn't matter in the end just another example of the government getting more and more precise in it's targetinbg of the ponunds of law that now exsist. In the end why should i care?
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