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Rather: Memos Real, Insists to Letterman "Nobody Lied" at CBS (Transcript-RealPlayer)
MRC ^ | 10:15am EST, Friday March 4, 2005 | BrentBaker

Posted on 03/04/2005 8:45:05 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

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What do MAIN Stream Right AND Left both have in common?

They both cover up the treason of Hanoi Kerry AND attack the President.

Remember it was Free Republic that broke this story
NOT anyone in the "Main Stream" media.


41 posted on 03/04/2005 9:16:06 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (ABC, AP, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, NY Times All the news they hope you'll believe)
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To: fight_truth_decay

42 posted on 03/04/2005 9:16:26 AM PST by Chinito (We ARE the people our parents warned us about....)
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To: Grampa Dave

A Liar Never admits their lies! never,never,never.
Remember his parting final interview with Saddam, it looked like he was going to hug and kiss the mass murderer and torturer before the end of the Interview.


43 posted on 03/04/2005 9:17:42 AM PST by True Republican Patriot
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To: fight_truth_decay
Dan Rather continues his "I am not a crook" tour.

And somewhere Richard Nixon is laughing his butt off.

44 posted on 03/04/2005 9:18:31 AM PST by N. Theknow (Trusting CBS to fact check is like asking Michael Jackson to baby sit your kid.)
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Dan Rather on The O'Reilly Factor...Dan Rather speaking in defense of public figures who make stuff up called Bill Clinton an "honest man" even as he acknowledged Clinton's whoppers. "Who among us have not lied about somebody?" asked Rather. "I think at the core he's an honest person…I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."

CUT

In an Mad Dan’s Noble Lie
By George Neumayr
Published 9/16/2004.... interview with the New York Observer, Rather also uses the phrase "fundamental truth." This is 1960s babble that amounts to saying: I, as a liberal, can tell lies for the greater good; my surface dishonesty conveys a deeper truth. Rather is falling back on the Noble Lie -- the idea that the enlightened are entitled to heap fables upon the hoi polloi for the sake of preserving proper order.

The transcendent truth that mitigates Rather's faked-up memos is apparently that Bush missed a physical examination over three decades ago -- not exactly the justification for the Noble Lie Plato envisioned in The Republic. Why allegations about a missed physical and truncated National Guard service trouble Rather so deeply when Bill Clinton's draft-dodging did not is another question Rather isn't likely to answer.

If the Noble Lie defense fails, what else can Rather try? The New York Observer article suggests he will try the I'm-on-the-right-side-of-history defense: "I think over the long haul, this will be consistent with our history and our traditions and reputation…We took heat during the McCarthy time, during civil rights, during Watergate. We haven't always been right, but our record is damn good."

Rather sounds a bit like the habitual liar in Whit Stillman's movie Metropolitan who, after getting called out for inventing a story about his archenemy abusing a girl, says, "Okay, so that person wasn't real; she's a composite, like in New York magazine." He then defends his lie on the grounds that it contained a basic truth about his nemesis.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7121

45 posted on 03/04/2005 9:23:43 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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I don't know about anybody else, but I quit watching
Main Stream Right Wing Media
and listening to Main Stream Right Wing Radio
shortly after Nov 3.

I couldn't understand how the so called
Main Stream Right Wing Media
could say things like
"Senator Kerry was gracious in his concession speech..."
"Senator Kerry was so honorable..."
Etc


46 posted on 03/04/2005 9:27:30 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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Viet Nam Vet Ollie North nailed Hanoi Kerry on his false 1971 testimony.

"Kerry testified under oath before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 that Americans in Vietnam had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war."

Set aside the horrific and defamatory nature of these accusations and ask this: Did he witness these atrocities? Did he try to stop them? If not, was he held accountable for dereliction of duty? If he knows the perpetrators, did he ever see that they were brought to justice? If not, why?"

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ollienorth/on20040220.shtml

And FR's own Interesting Times nailed Hanoi Kerry for his lies in 1971

AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN combat veteran of the Vietnam War
(Kerry pressured him to give false Winter Soldier testimony)
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff


47 posted on 03/04/2005 9:31:43 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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48 posted on 03/04/2005 9:33:00 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Old movie scripts never die.  They simply replay and replay and replay on the evening news.  Anybody remember The Caine Mutiny and Captain Queeg's paranoid search for the strawberry thief?

Rather:  . . . "We put it on the air with what we thought was credibility. We had things besides the documents, but for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, the focus became the documents. We were not able to authenticate the documents as thoroughly as I think we should have. Given a little more time, perhaps we could have. My experience with elections is no one thing turns events around. I think that in this case, in this particular election, whatever was going to happen, let me say, below the surface, that the American people were going to be very reluctant to turn out a President as Commander-in-Chief in wartime until and unless it was demonstrated to them that the war was unwinnable, which was not the case. So, bottom line is, I think that George Bush was destined to be re-elected pretty much whatever happened in August and September."

Queeg:  They were all disloyal. I tried to run the ship properly by the book, but they fought me at every turn. If the crew wanted to walk around with their shirttails hanging out, that's all right, let them! Take the towline - defective equipment, no more, no less. But they encouraged the crew to go around, scoffing at me and spreading wild rumors about steaming in circles and then 'Old Yellowstain.' I was to blame for Lieutenant Maryk's incompetence and poor seamanship. Lieutenant Maryk was the perfect officer, but not Captain Queeg. Ah, but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist. And I would have produced that key if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer. (He pauses - looks at all the questioning faces that stare back at him, and realizes that he has been ranting and raving.) Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory

49 posted on 03/04/2005 9:34:13 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Memo Real; Nobody lied"

Chisel that on his tombstone.

The sooner the better. (just kidding)
50 posted on 03/04/2005 9:34:47 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: mngalt

I swear if I ever run into Dan Rather on the street.....


51 posted on 03/04/2005 9:35:27 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Racehorse
We were not able to authenticate the documents as thoroughly as I think we should have. Given a little more time, perhaps we could have

What a twit.

52 posted on 03/04/2005 9:36:55 AM PST by js1138
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To: Cosmo
"It really does hurt to read, hear and watch this guy."

Does me.

"I'm embarassed for him."

Uh-huh, me too.

Whatever happened when those on top ultimately went out, they always did so.

...with grace.

53 posted on 03/04/2005 9:44:48 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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How come Right Wing MAIN Stream Media personalities
give Hanoi Kerry a free pass?

How come they always give the billionaires a free pass?

Remember Marc Rich of Pardongate?

mmmmmmm
54 posted on 03/04/2005 9:51:37 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: fight_truth_decay
We had things besides the documents, but for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, the focus became the documents.

I'd say "rightly" myself.

55 posted on 03/04/2005 9:52:04 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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Why is there no justice for the 58,000 + names on the Viet Nam Wall?



Why is there no justice for to the millions,
who served with honor in Viet Nam?

When will the Right Wing Main Stream Media demand
that Hanoi Kerry apologize to the names on the Wall
And to Viet Nam Vets who served with honor?
Why are we still "war criminals" and Hanoi Kerry is a "hero"?
When will the GOP controlled Senate set the record straight?

56 posted on 03/04/2005 9:54:40 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (The US Senate only has 99 legal Senators, and 1 illegal one. U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3)
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To: Grampa Dave

He said that the commission couldn't prove that the documents weren't fake?

What numbskulls. No wonder they didn't find Rather biased....they couldn't find their ASS(umption) in the dark with their own 2 hands.

And he thinks they're authentic. Are their really Americans who buy this crap?


57 posted on 03/04/2005 9:56:11 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of it!)
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To: RexBeach

This is Rather's - "I did not have sex with that woman ..."

He's so out of step with America - he has no idea the public is NOT with him. Even after Bush gets the highest number of votes in history .. Rather still tries to believe America believes and loves him, but hates Bush. You can't get much more delusional than that.


58 posted on 03/04/2005 10:02:52 AM PST by CyberAnt (Pres. Bush: "Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
Just because the panel refused to investigate the authenticity of the documents does not mean that the forgeries were real.

As someone already said, Dan Rather is delusional. There is no other explanation.

59 posted on 03/04/2005 10:08:11 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Cicero

"A liberal quits lying--either to himself or to others--when he ceases to be a liberal."

Excellent!


60 posted on 03/04/2005 10:13:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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