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1 posted on 03/04/2005 5:12:44 AM PST by kjvail
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What a poorly-researched piece. Socialism and conservatism are highly opposed to one another; of course a "socialist conservativism" or some similar such nonsense is incoherent. That's why it's at best a fringe.

Conservatism in the US today bears zero resemblance to what the article alleges is conservative.


2 posted on 03/04/2005 5:19:50 AM PST by thoughtomator (Not available in stores - for a limited time only)
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"In order to restore social and cultural norms, true conservatives can only be radical libertarians"

That's ridiculous.

3 posted on 03/04/2005 5:19:50 AM PST by Pietro
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The author sure spent a lot of time trying to define the undefinable. Conservative is a broad term.


4 posted on 03/04/2005 5:20:04 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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American conservatism in rooted in Christianity. Never-mind the establishment of the U.S. of A has it's roots there as well.

What fodder!
5 posted on 03/04/2005 5:21:53 AM PST by odoso (Millions for charity, but not one penny for tribute!)
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Yup. Sounds mostly right. I guess that makes me some type of archaiocon. ;^)


6 posted on 03/04/2005 5:22:07 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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Doh, no wonder, this guy is is to libertarian as Pat Buchanan is to conservative. In other words, fringe and of questionable sanity.

http://www.hanshoppe.com/


8 posted on 03/04/2005 5:22:26 AM PST by thoughtomator (Not available in stores - for a limited time only)
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So many words; so little coherence.


9 posted on 03/04/2005 5:24:38 AM PST by libertylover (Being liberal means never being concerned about the truth.)
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"true conservatives can only be radical libertarians"
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If these clowns had their way, The Soviet Empire would be the dominant power in the world today


11 posted on 03/04/2005 5:28:24 AM PST by pissant
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bump


12 posted on 03/04/2005 5:29:50 AM PST by foreverfree
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However, most contemporary conservatives (at least most of the spokesmen of the conservative establishment) either do not recognize that their goal of restoring normalcy requires the most drastic, even revolutionary, antistatist social changes, or (if they know about this) they are engaged in betraying conservatism's cultural agenda from inside in order to promote an entirely different agenda.

We have a Bingo!!

13 posted on 03/04/2005 5:30:49 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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Dear kjvail,

Interesting read. Thanks for posting it.

Can't say I agree with it all, but it's from an interesting perspective.

And it seems to come out pretty close to my own views of Buchananism.

Are you going to ping the Crown Crew?


sitetest


15 posted on 03/04/2005 5:36:08 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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There is no recognition that the natural order in education means that the state has nothing to do with it. Education is entirely a family matter and ought to be produced and distributed in cooperative arrangements within the framework of the market economy.

bump

18 posted on 03/04/2005 5:39:41 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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Today, the continuation and preservation of the American welfare-warfare state is simply excused and promoted by new and neo-conservatives alike with reference to other foreign enemies and dangers: China, Islamic fundamentalism, Saddam Hussein, "rogue states," and the threat of "global terrorism."

What a windbag.

Anyone who can put "rogue states" and "global terrorism" in quotation marks to imply that they are constructs of the conservative imagination is completely denying reality.

It is so typical of anti-war types to simply ignore our right and obligation to have felt FEAR on that day, and proceed to defend ourselves.

19 posted on 03/04/2005 5:40:59 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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Still reading this piece, but a comment on the following:
There is no recognition that the natural order in education means that the state has nothing to do with it. Education is entirely a family matter and ought to be produced and distributed in cooperative arrangements within the framework of the market economy.

It's a confident claim, but one which would be difficult to substantiate. Since modern humans appeared, the social group has almost always been larger than the isolated, single family, and the social group has always had an interest in educating its young members in the ways of the group. The author is either wrong about what the 'natural order' is with respect to education, or else is using the words 'natural order' in an idiosyncratic way.

22 posted on 03/04/2005 5:45:26 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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By relieving individuals of the obligation to provide for their own income, health, safety, old age, and children's education, the range and temporal horizon of private provision is reduced, and the value of marriage, family, children, and kinship relations is lowered. Irresponsibility, shortsightedness, negligence, illness and even destructionism (bads) are promoted, and responsibility, farsightedness, diligence, health and conservatism (goods) are punished.

The compulsory old age insurance system in particular, by which retirees (the old) are subsidized from taxes imposed on current income earners (the young), has systematically weakened the natural intergenerational bond between parents, grandparents, and children. The old need no longer rely on the assistance of their children if they have made no provision for their own old age; and the young (with typically less accumulated wealth) must support the old (with typically more accumulated wealth) rather than the other way around, as is typical within families.

Consequently, not only do people want to have fewer children—and indeed, birthrates have fallen in half since the onset of modern social security (welfare) policies—but also the respect which the young traditionally accorded to their elders is diminished, and all indicators of family disintegration and malfunctioning, such as rates of divorce, illegitimacy, child abuse, parent abuse, spouse abuse, single parenting, singledom, alternative lifestyles, and abortion, have increased.

Nails it.

24 posted on 03/04/2005 5:46:19 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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BRILLIANT, SIMPLY BRILLIANT!!


28 posted on 03/04/2005 5:58:48 AM PST by Al Gator (God did not give us life so that we could run and ask a bureaucrat what to do with it.)
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This is a long read and I'm going to have to study it in more detail to make coherent arguments - but what I see right off the bat....

He doesn't like Buchanan.
He lambasts Buchanan, almost, from the get go.
Can't say as I blame him but he spends an awful lot of time on a man that conservatives have already turned from.

He doesn't like the, "Leviathan state".
Well, that's good. Some government is needed but as the saying goes, "That which governs least governs best".

He's a libertarian.
That's not all bad, as long as it's a small 'l' and not a large 'L' libertarian.
I would put myself into a conservative, small 'l' libertarian category.

As for having to become a radical to be a conservative.....
To change, almost, anything in the govt nowadays you have to be somewhat of a radical.
Just don't take it too far.

30 posted on 03/04/2005 5:59:12 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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Multiculturalism = Balkanization = loss of country

Loss of authority = non-caring parents = disrespect

Sexual libertinism = social disintegration = illegitimacy

Social nationalism = entitlements = government control

Liberalism = talk the talk = “the people’s rights” = litigate = then sit down

Conservatism = duty = responsibility = non government control

Through Political Correctness all truth is censored and history is re-written; this breeds moral and cultural decline and degeneration. Tinkering with the Republic’s duty, the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence is the work of the Socialist; maintaining the Republic and all it stands for is the work of the Conservative; the latter does the heavy lifting to keep our nation free from other ideologues who don’t want the responsibility of maintaining a Republic...Duty, Honor, Country.

32 posted on 03/04/2005 6:00:49 AM PST by yoe
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Multiculturalism = Balkanization = loss of country

Loss of authority = non-caring parents = disrespect

Sexual libertinism = social disintegration = illegitimacy

Social nationalism = entitlements = government control

Liberalism = talk the talk = “the people’s rights” = litigate = then sit down

Conservatism = duty = responsibility = non government control

Through Political Correctness all truth is censored and history is re-written; this breeds moral and cultural decline and degeneration. Tinkering with the Republic’s duty, the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence is the work of the Socialist; maintaining the Republic and all it stands for is the work of the Conservative; the latter does the heavy lifting to keep our nation free from other ideologues who don’t want the responsibility of maintaining a Republic...Duty, Honor, Country.

33 posted on 03/04/2005 6:00:50 AM PST by yoe
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Why do I somehow not trust a piece written about "correct" socialist conservatism written by a German? Didn't they try that once? Oh yeah.... back in the forties.....


37 posted on 03/04/2005 6:10:00 AM PST by Terabitten (A quick reminder to the liberals. The election in Iraq was done NOT IN YOUR NAME.)
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