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Scientists Slam US Plasma Weapon
The Register ^ | 03/03/2005 | Lester Haines

Posted on 03/03/2005 11:09:09 PM PST by NationSoConceived

Scientists have reacted angrily to the revelation that the US military is funding development of a weapon intended to deliver an "excrutiating bout of pain" from over a mile away. The "Pulsed Energy Projectile" (PEP) device "fires a laser pulse that generates a burst of expanding plasma when it hits something solid", the New Scientist explains. If you happen to be that something solid, then you get temporarily incapacitated without suffering permanent injury.

That's the theory, but pain reasearchers fear that the proposed riot control weapon could be used for torture, and further doubt a solid ethical basis for the research. Andrew Rice, a consultant in pain medicine at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital in London, said: "Even if the use of temporary severe pain can be justified as a restraining measure, which I do not believe it can, the long-term physical and psychological effects are unknown."

What those physical effects might be is the subject of a University of Central Florida in Orlando study which aims to "optimise" the effect of PEPs as noted in a 2003 US Naval Studies Board review of non-lethal weapons. The review outlined how PEPs produced "pain and temporary paralysis" in animal tests, apparently as a result of "an electromagnetic pulse produced by the expanding plasma which triggers impulses in nerve cells".

The new study was exposed by biological weapons research watchdog the Sunshine Project, which obtained papers relating to the programme under the US's Freedom of Information Act. One research contract between the Office of Naval Research and the University of Florida in Gainsville is snappily entitled: "Sensory consequences of electromagnetic pulses emitted by laser induced plasmas".

New Scientist notes that the contract was heavily censored before release, but reveals that researchers are requested to investigate "optimal pulse parameters to evoke peak nociceptor activation", ie, how to cause the maximum pain possible without killing the subject.

One scientist working on the project - Martin Richardson, a laser expert at the University of Central Florida - declined to comment to New Scientist. Another - Brian Cooper, an expert in dental pain at the University of Florida - attempted to downplay his involvement by saying: "I don't have anything interesting to convey. I was just providing some background for the group."

According to John Wood of University College London, an expert in how the brain perceives pain, both Richardson and Cooper and all those working on the PEP research project should face censure because any weapon resulting from the programme "could be used for torture".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; miltech; nondeadly; nonlethal; pep; plasma; torture; unsecgenclinton; weapon; weapons
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Lots of interesting stuff to think about when you think about non-lethal weapons. I like the idea of avoiding killing people who very much need to be incapacitated, but is it going to make life easier or harder for soldiers? One extra decision: shoot to kill or shoot to disable? I guess its kind of necessary in this era of asymmetric, urban, pinpoint, "Hearts and Minds" warfare.

I don't know too much about the Sunshine Group. They seem pretty leftist, but bioweapons are always a touchy subject(although I don't think that this device qualifies as a bioweapon.) Any input here would be welcome.
1 posted on 03/03/2005 11:09:09 PM PST by NationSoConceived
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To: NationSoConceived

Set phasers to stun!


2 posted on 03/03/2005 11:13:36 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: Crazieman

Set beebers to pun!


3 posted on 03/03/2005 11:16:37 PM PST by Harpo Speaks (Honk! Honk! Honk! Either it's foggy out, or make that a dozen hard boiled eggs.)
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To: NationSoConceived
I accept that this seems an ominous direction to take.

However, this is why we must always remain vigilant and maintain our character such that we use such weapons in a wise fashion.

That said, I'm glad we are creating such non-lethal options.
4 posted on 03/03/2005 11:17:06 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: NationSoConceived

There's also the whole "dead men don't provide intel" thing.

That said, what do these people propose as an alternative? 120mm canister rounds from an M1????


5 posted on 03/03/2005 11:17:16 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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I'd rather (no pun intended hahaha) see them shot than stunned, whom ever the bad guys are. Why have more of them around for later? It's like the death penalty, Use it now, save money later.


6 posted on 03/03/2005 11:18:16 PM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (Banning, A fate worse than death !!)
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To: NationSoConceived

Scientists, just STFU.


7 posted on 03/03/2005 11:19:00 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: NationSoConceived

Removing non-lethal options, drastically increases the chance of lethal options being used. It's one thing to say how terrible it is to inflict pain, it's another to imply we shouldn't consider it because killing it much better. Is that the type of "ethics" the scientists are advocating?


8 posted on 03/03/2005 11:22:31 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: NationSoConceived
My first thought is that most of the people who force police to aim at them deserve something, and pain doesn't have the same long-term consequences as death.

But my second thought is along second amendment lines. The whole point of an armed populace is to prevent the government from usurping their God given freedom. If we allow our police and military to have such a weapon, it ought to be available to every citizen on the street. Obviously it wouldn't be, and that presents the problem. At some point, weaponry will be so advanced, no armed populace will ever be able to preserve their liberty. We're probably already there. Reno proved you can use the troops on Americans with impunity. So when Bill is running the UN and Hill is running the White House--well, I'll leave the argument there. Bad things, man.

9 posted on 03/03/2005 11:23:10 PM PST by DC Bound
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To: NationSoConceived

I am still in favor of banning the crossbow.


10 posted on 03/03/2005 11:28:04 PM PST by FreedomSurge
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"any weapon resulting from the programme "could be used for torture"."

Unlike electricity. Fire. Rope. Metal. Little shoots of bamboo. Sticks. Dripping water. Better ban those.

Don't have the common sense nature gives puppies...

11 posted on 03/03/2005 11:28:45 PM PST by JasonC
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To: NationSoConceived
PLASMA WEAPON?

Is this reporter a total idiot?

Never mind.....

12 posted on 03/03/2005 11:31:26 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Spktyr
"Even if the use of temporary severe pain can be justified as a restraining measure, which I do not believe it can, the long-term physical and psychological effects are unknown."

Of course, the long-term physical and psychological effects of a grenade might just be a tad worse......

13 posted on 03/03/2005 11:31:53 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: NationSoConceived

I was taught there is no such thing as shooting to kill or to disable. You shoot to stop. I know I am splitting hairs, but there is a difference when explained by people with more training than I have.


14 posted on 03/03/2005 11:33:06 PM PST by thefactor
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To: DC Bound
At some point, weaponry will be so advanced, no armed populace will ever be able to preserve their liberty. We're probably already there.

Nope! Americans are very inventive, and should never, ever be under-estimated.

15 posted on 03/03/2005 11:33:49 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Indians were inventive. Better arms win wars.

On reflection, however, the bigger threat is the hard left.

16 posted on 03/03/2005 11:37:47 PM PST by DC Bound
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To: NationSoConceived

Stune the beeber


17 posted on 03/04/2005 12:18:22 AM PST by GeronL (Condi will not be mistaken for a cleaning lady)
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To: NationSoConceived

Time to ban knives, cigarettes, water, and electricity, all used for torture.


18 posted on 03/04/2005 12:34:16 AM PST by thoughtomator (Not available in stores - for a limited time only)
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To: Harpo Speaks; Crazieman

Set panties to torture....if that doesn't work, then
Set plasma to @!&#*&%#*!#&%#*%#)(##*&$^^$!*&*


19 posted on 03/04/2005 2:07:54 AM PST by DannyTN
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"Time to ban knives, cigarettes, water, and electricity, all used for torture."

We've got to ban panties too!

20 posted on 03/04/2005 2:09:19 AM PST by DannyTN
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