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FAA grounds company that hired flight crew in Teterboro crash
NewsDay ^ | March 3, 2005, 5:17 PM EST | By JEFFREY GOLD

Posted on 03/03/2005 3:15:33 PM PST by Calpernia

NEWARK, N.J. -- The Federal Aviation Administration has grounded the company that hired the flight crew for the corporate jet that crashed last month while attempting to take off from Teterboro Airport, and claims it may be unqualified to fly passengers.

The company, Platinum Jet Management, has also refused to fully comply with an FAA subpoena for documents, withholding training records, duty time records and pay records for pilots and mechanics, according to court papers the agency filed late Wednesday.

The court documents were disclosed Thursday after a federal judge in Newark ordered Platinum Jet to attend a hearing Monday and explain why it should not submit the documents.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: airport; faa; flightcrew; mechanics; newjersey; nj; pilots; planecrash; platinumjet; subpoena; teterboro; training
It is unusual for a carrier to balk at producing such records, said FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown.

A key issue in FAA decision is a permit, known as a Part 135 certificate, required to be held by charter operators. The agency maintains that Platinum Jet does not have such a certificate.

A lawyer for Platinum Jet, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., said the company was working with another company, Darby Aviation, known as AlphaJet, that has a Part 135 certificate.

"They were operating on another 135, which happens all the time, including on major air carriers," said the lawyer, Mike Moulis. "For those guys to represent to you that that is somehow illegal, they need to go back to aviation school 101."

He maintained that Platinum Jet does not need to release the records sought by the FAA. According to a filing by an FAA lawyer, Moulis also said the crew and mechanics were independent contractors and not covered by the subpoena.

A woman answering the phone at Alphajet, of Muscle Shoals, Ala., said no one was immediately available to speak with a reporter.

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The pilot, John Kimberling, has said that when he tried to lift the nose of the aircraft, the controls appeared to jam and the plane would not respond, forcing him to make a split-second decision to abort takeoff.

No one was killed in the crash, but 20 people were injured, including a motorist in a car struck by the Bombardier Canadair Challenger CL-600 aircraft as it crossed Route 46. The aircraft then slammed into a warehouse.

1 posted on 03/03/2005 3:15:36 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...

Excellent find NW_AZ!


2 posted on 03/03/2005 3:16:25 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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3 posted on 03/03/2005 3:18:40 PM PST by Aeronaut (You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky. -- Amelia Earhart)
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To: Calpernia
It is unusual for a carrier to balk at producing such records, said FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown.

I'd say!

If you own stock in Platinum Jet - SELL! There goose is cooked.

4 posted on 03/03/2005 3:24:56 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Once you lose your fear, you become the people you once envied....)
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To: Calpernia

>>According to a filing by an FAA lawyer, Moulis also said the crew and mechanics were independent contractors and not covered by the subpoena.<<

The IRS is going to come prancing in very soon.


5 posted on 03/03/2005 3:42:49 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Dashing Dasher

I hear the sound of a paper shredder running fast and furious...


6 posted on 03/03/2005 5:40:45 PM PST by spower
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To: Calpernia; wakingup; Wingsofgold

Thank you Calpernia.

Truth is, Wakingup found it first and put a link on the T.M.

Once I read it, I sent it on.

Looks as tho, this plane might have had someone messing with the nuts and bolts again.

I sent Wings the link.


7 posted on 03/03/2005 5:44:41 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Calpernia; ElephantinTexas; TexasCowboy

I haven't looked into this company, but do wonder if it has a connection to the two planes in Texas, that had the illegal Chinese and dope on them?

Elephant, do you have the URL for that thread available, or do I have to go and dig through all my pings to find it?

Please.


8 posted on 03/03/2005 5:49:15 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Calpernia

LOL - I found the story of the man who survived the plane taking off the top of his car.

granny



02/24/2005 12:23:31 PM PST sent

Topic in misc.survivalism


A scream that
saved life of
man driving a
Camry

All 2 messages in topic - view as tree


myal
Feb 24, 2:00 am show options



http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-20/110750034618107...

A scream that saved life of man driving a Camry
He credits friend, who was seriously hurt in jet crash
Friday, February 04, 2005
BY CAROL ANN CAMPBELL
Star-Ledger Staff

Rohan Foster believed the corporate jet speeding toward him would take
off at the last second.

The planes always did before.
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So on Wednesday morning, when he stopped behind cars lined up at a red
light on Route 46, just outside Teterboro Airport, he did not believe he
was in danger, even as his friend and passenger, James Dinnall, yelled
that a plane was coming. Foster glanced to the side and quickly ducked,
still thinking the wing would pass over his car.

"Then I blacked out," he said yesterday at Holy Name Hospital, in
Teaneck, where he spoke about the corporate jet that hit his treasured
2002 Toyota Camry. His nose was broken, his face scratched and his head cut.

"I think God has kept me alive for a purpose," he said.

Foster was stopped at the light at 7:20 a.m. Wednesday when Dinnall
yelled, "Look out! A plane!" just as a Canadair CL-600 Challenger broke
through the 8-foot-high fence surrounding the airport and sped across
six lanes of highway and crashed into a warehouse. The wing sheared off
the top of the Toyota like a can opener exposing sardines.

"Then I blacked out," the 35-year-old Foster said. "When I woke up, I
saw the ambulance guys and they were trying to get me out. I didn't know
what had happened. Maybe I went to heaven and came back," said Foster,
who lives in Paterson. He often traveled with Dinnall to their jobs at
Acrison Inc., a manufacturing plant in Moonachie.

As rescue workers tried to free him, Foster recalls that Dinnall, who is
66, was unconscious and more seriously injured. An ambulance took Foster
to Holy Name and another took Dinnall to Hackensack University Medical
Center, where he was listed in critical condition yesterday with serious
head injuries.

"I am worried about Jimmy," Foster said of his friend, whose screams
prompted him to lower his head.

"If he didn't (scream), my head would be somewhere else right now,"
Foster said. He remained torn between concern for his friend and
gratefulness for his own survival.

Foster said he remains incredulous at the surreal experience of the
collision.

"I still can't believe this happened. It's like a dream," he said.

Facing dozens of cameras and reporters, he took off his baseball cap and
displayed the staples that closed a wound on the top of his head. He
said he still feels aches and pains.

Foster said he could not prevent the accident.

"There was nothing I could do," he said.

One paramedic on the scene, John Heinlein of the Holy Name Advanced Life
Support unit, said investigators who saw his car were surprised anyone
survived.

So was the hospital's chief of surgery, Joseph Manno. "He is very lucky.
This is nothing short of a miracle," he said. He said Foster is doing so
well he may leave the hospital today.

Foster, a native of Jamaica who is married and has three children, said
he has been in the United States about 14 years. He said he called his
mother in Jamaica to tell her the news.

"She cried," he said.

Foster said he hopes to talk with Dinnall soon. "I would tell him,
'We've been given a second chance,'" he said.

In a lighter moment, a reporter asked Foster if his car insurance
covered plane collisions.

Foster said he thinks he's covered.

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itsallgood
Feb 24, 8:52 am show options


myal wrote:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-20/110750034618107...

> A scream that saved life of man driving a Camry
> He credits friend, who was seriously hurt in jet crash
> Friday, February 04, 2005
> BY CAROL ANN CAMPBELL
> Star-Ledger Staff

> "In a lighter moment, a reporter asked Foster if his car insurance
> covered plane collisions.

> Foster said he thinks he's covered."

The really good news is that he has a rare Camry convertible and
perhaps he can still pocket the insurance money.


9 posted on 03/03/2005 6:06:38 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

There have been quite a few incidents with outside contractors and unusual activity.

NJ even had a contract with security officials that had criminal backgrounds.


10 posted on 03/03/2005 6:12:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
A lawyer for Platinum Jet, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., said the company was working with another company, Darby Aviation, known as AlphaJet, that has a Part 135 certificate.

So which company was actually performing the aircraft maintenance?

If it was Platinum Jet, then they should be held responsible for the mechanical failure.

11 posted on 03/03/2005 7:39:02 PM PST by Hunble
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Another great read, Gran. Here's the link the the San Antonio/Austin planes or you can always find it on my 'about' page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327840/posts


12 posted on 03/03/2005 7:39:34 PM PST by ElephantinTexas (Republican ladies are the fairest of them all!)
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To: ElephantinTexas

Thank you for posting the link, there may be others who want to go there and reread it.

Did you learn that there was a missing shipment of a radioactive (something) that had been lost and did not reach where it was to go....Boston, as i recall.

It was later found in a warehouse, and all was well.

So there really was an alert for the nuclear and Chinese.

Someone on the Threat Matrix found the news article on the lost nuclear, I don't recall the fine details.


13 posted on 03/03/2005 9:16:30 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Calpernia
It is difficult to get people to pay attention to the fact that we are at war with terrorism.

The commies, kennedy, kerry and others like them, say that there is no threat of another attack.

I hear every day that it is all a phony threat.

Until the citizens accept that we have real threats coming at us, there will not be an effort to really protect us.
14 posted on 03/03/2005 9:21:12 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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To: Calpernia

Will be interesting to see what comes of this.


15 posted on 03/04/2005 6:20:02 AM PST by Velveeta
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