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Rehnquist: "We're Immune from Impeachment..." (paraphrased)
Herald-Tribune ^ | 01/01/2005 | Linda Greenhouse, NYT

Posted on 03/03/2005 5:34:47 AM PST by totherightofu

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To: OB1kNOb

Hamilton was second only to Washington in importance to the early Nation. His genius was staggering and he is one of the greatest men of history. Far too many believe the caricatures of his beliefs which have persisted to this day and which totally distort his life, a life devoted to the establishment of a free and powerful nation.


141 posted on 03/03/2005 9:37:22 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Legal education during the time of the Founders consisted of examining and understanding law from all of Europe. Montesque, Grotius, Roman law, etc. This is not new. "Consideration" , compatibility etc. Besides what commonality is there in the laws of Italy and Nigeria?"

Nice try, but no sale.

We are are all aware of the roots of the Founding Fathers.

Your continual excuse that decisions today (note the key word?) "does not mean the decision was based on other laws merely that it was examined for relevence" is growing old.

Justice Antonin Scalia criticized this use of foreign precedents. He even went so far as to read his dissent from the bench.

I think Justice Scalia stated it best when he said ...

"The court's discussion of these foreign views (ignoring, of course, the many countries that have retained criminal prohibitions on sodomy) is . . . meaningless dicta. Dangerous dicta, however, since this court . . . should not impose foreign moods, fads, or fashions on Americans."

You, of course, like myself, have the right to believe whatever you like.

Should you wish to ask the Europians (you know, those unwashed from Europa) permission on how to live your life, you go right ahead.

I do not live my life by others codes. I am vehemently (as were our Founding Fathers) against European interference in our affairs. And I am a strict nationalist.

Globalistst be damned!

142 posted on 03/03/2005 9:44:09 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; no one in particular
The Founding Dads devoted their efforts to creating a game proof system.

The current crop of 'leaders' and our enemies (sometimes one in the same) devote their efforts to finds ways of gaming a game proof system.
143 posted on 03/03/2005 9:46:26 AM PST by null and void (The Pendragon Production of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds opens March 30th. Be there or be eaten...)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

your head is clearly submerged in a bucket of activist "living document" Kool Aid.

The Founders' intent and the meaning of words when they wrote the Constitution trumps modern opinion polls and modern foreign trends.

"Cruel" to them meant infliction of excessive pain in the execution of a sentence, "unusual" meant sentencing disproportionate to the crime.

According to the Founders, a 17 year old was mature enough to be called up for military service as part of the militia.
According to the standards of their day, a 14 year old could be sentenced to death.
According to the standards of their day, flogging was not cruel.

Yes, today's standards have changed.
Yes, the Constitution can be changed to reflect modernity.
There are EXACTLY TWO ways to do so: Amendment, and a Constitutional Convention.
Judicial activism is NOT constitutionally authorized - it is NOT part of the enumerated powers delegated to the Judiciary.
CASE CLOSED on your third-way living-document horsepuckey.

As to reliance:
1. As there is no denotative hint of support for this ruling in the text of the Constitution
2. and as there is evidently insufficient support among the federal and state legislatures for the ethos this ruling purports to define for there to be any practical hope for either an amendment to the constitution OR a convention to be called on this topic
3. CLEARLY the only points of law to which this ruling can turn for support are foreign trends.

that is a textbook example of reliance upon foreign law in contravention of the supremacy of the Constitution.
This is against the law, a breach of their oath of office, bad behavior, and an impeachable offence.

FIRE THE BASTARDS.


144 posted on 03/03/2005 9:46:36 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: G.Mason

well stated!


145 posted on 03/03/2005 9:47:50 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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To: totherightofu
Actually the Rehnquist quote ..."a judge's judicial acts may not serve as a basis for impeachment."..... is not saying "We're Immune from Impeachment..."

I wound think he should clarify as "A judge's legitimate judicial acts".... a judge can not make any arbitrary ruling with no basis in the law the judge is required to function under and claim it is a legitimate judicial acts and therefor there immune from impeachment based on that illegitimate judicial acts

The SCOUS serves under the authority of the US Constitution...any ruling outside that authority is beyond that authority,is illegitimate, and is grounds for impeachment

146 posted on 03/03/2005 9:50:34 AM PST by tophat9000 (We didn’t rise they sunk look at the blue, water filled, sink holes map (Mike Moore Fatass divots ?)
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To: totherightofu

Actually he is correct,,,technically.

Thus it is incumbant upon the impeachment process to show the act was EXTRAjudicial.

For example, is a judge, who by act of fiat, acting extrajudicial by imposing an international treaty?

Has the judge exceeded his authority and oath? If a judge comits an act of treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy then that act is extrajudicial. We are not talking about "rights" we are talking about a judge who is opposed to the war on terror supplanting his/her personal opinion in place of the law.

For example, the reliance on UNRATIFIED treaties is EXTRAjudicial.


147 posted on 03/03/2005 9:51:49 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Just mythoughts
God will be removing Rhenquist real soon, and a few of the other justices.
148 posted on 03/03/2005 9:52:12 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk
"God will be removing Rhenquist real soon, and a few of the other justices."

I agree there will be Divine intervention because we sheep have gone to sleep and allowed the rule of law to be turned upside down.
149 posted on 03/03/2005 9:55:22 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: King Prout

Thank you, and thank you for reading it.


150 posted on 03/03/2005 9:55:34 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: brytlea

Florida has mandatory retirement for judges. (70)

It obviously does no good.

Retired judges are also brought back to deal with long term complex special cases. (ie one case that will occupy all any other judges case load)


151 posted on 03/03/2005 9:55:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Well, not convicted, at least....

Also, no Justices of the Supreme Court have ever been impeached.

152 posted on 03/03/2005 9:59:59 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei!)
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To: gopwinsin04
The solution to this is to get rid of Spector as Judiciary Chairman.

Hear! Hear! The so called agreement issued via public statement has so far turned out to be a fraud on his part.


We now have a NEW litmus test, will the candidate look to unratified treaties as binding upon US law? I would NEVER trust Meeester Scotish Law with that issue.
153 posted on 03/03/2005 10:00:16 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: totherightofu

"Thanks, Flip.

Yes, the Jackson case has been cited several times. Getting the courts and governors of 19 states to ignore the SC's decision and execute anyway? Not gonna happen!"

Perhaps, but why not? What Jackson did was MUCH worse. In addition, you pick your battles. For example, a ruling holding that terrorist have the constitutional right to counsel can be ignored. It has to START somewhere and sometime or else we truly are no longer a republic.


154 posted on 03/03/2005 10:05:33 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: totherightofu
I hate to be the skunk at a garden party, but J. Rehnquist is right. Under the constitution their continued service is subject to their good behavior.

The best and easiest way to restrict the power of the federal courts is to limit their jurisdiction. That approach is far easier than attempting to impeach and convict rogue judges.

155 posted on 03/03/2005 10:07:34 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: King Prout
You compliment me after you posted this?

It is I who owe you the compliment.

Excellent!




It appears when one reads posts from the last, upwards to the first, one is always late in replying

156 posted on 03/03/2005 10:16:31 AM PST by G.Mason ("If you are broken It is because you are brittle" ... K.Hepburn, The Lion In Winter)
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To: G.Mason

I love your exaggerations and derivations of meaning which are not mine.


157 posted on 03/03/2005 10:17:42 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: totherightofu
" judge's judicial acts may not serve as a basis for impeachment."

Someone forgot to tell president Lincoln that. Well, maybe he did get the word since he just put them in jail and threw any the key.

158 posted on 03/03/2005 10:20:01 AM PST by jpsb
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To: the invisib1e hand

Rehnquist's statement is totally consistent with the Constitution and the Founders' views of judicial independence. If you don't like it you either must change the constituion or do violence to the document. But to do either will be far more destructive of the Law than these decisions.


159 posted on 03/03/2005 10:20:25 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: totherightofu

tar and feather

  1. 1. To punish (a person) by covering with tar and feathers.

  2. 2. To criticize severely and devastatingly; excoriate.

160 posted on 03/03/2005 10:20:53 AM PST by Dead Corpse (The neighborhood is pretty dead at night, and I'm the one to blame....)
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