Pack Up The MaMmAsItAS - We're Headed For AZTLAN!
Posted on 03/02/2005 9:38:45 AM PST by Happy2BMe
Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants
A bill recently introduced in Congress would deny U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants. Supporters said the bill, called the Citizenship Reform Act of 2005, would be a good way to control the number of people who have the right to claim citizenship ---- and the rights and benefits that come with it. Opponents said the measure was "extreme" and would be likely to face constitutional challenges.
An estimated 200,000 to 300,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the United States each year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, a policy and research group that advocates for stricter immigration controls.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that also supports stricter policies, estimated that California spends about $7.7 billion each year to educate about 1 million children of illegal immigrants.
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"Citizenship means you have some stake in this country; it's not just an accident of geography," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman of the federation, which supports the measure.
However, immigrant-rights groups say that citizenship is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress.
"Citizenship belongs to a person wherever they are born," said Katherine Cullion, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, a Latino rights group. "The most basic, fundamental right is the right to citizenship in the country where you were born."
Advocates for and against the measure, which has surfaced in various forms before, said the bill is unlikely to go far in Congress. The bill is now in the House Judiciary Committee. No hearing on the bill has been scheduled.
"This is really a perennial bill; it comes up each spring," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant-rights advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. "It gets a handful of co-sponsors and never sees the light of day."
If enacted, the bill would stipulate that children born in the United States would be considered American citizens only if born to parents who are citizens or legal residents living in the country. Under current law, any children born in the country can claim American citizenship.
The bill was introduced last month by Georgia Republican Rep. Nathan Deal and was co-sponsored by 16 other representatives, including Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach; Rep. Gary Miller, R-Diamond Bar; and Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado.
Anti-illegal immigrant groups, such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform, say immigration, legal and illegal, is largely responsible for a population explosion that could lead to unprecedented social, economic and environmental problems.
"Massive population growth has and will continue to have a profound impact on the lives of all Americans," said Dan Stein, president of the federation. The group released a study this week that indicated more than half of the nation's population growth over the last 35 years is due to immigration.
However, Steven Camarota, the Center for Immigration Studies' director of research, said the citizenship bill itself will not solve the nation's illegal immigration problem. Without immigration enforcement elsewhere, such as at the border and at work sites, denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would only make the number of illegal immigrants grow.
"By itself, it doesn't move the ball forward very much, if at all," Camarota said.
Completely agree.
At least one parent should BE a citizen. That's "BE" as in "IS". Not "in the process" or "thinking about it" or any of the other states of limbo Illegals use in perpetuity to gain access to our system of benefits.
are you sure? they approved CFR.
They may see it as a way to capitulate to save themselves ala the FDR court packing scandal.
Check this out. I'll do a search to see if it's posted.
Thursday, March 3, 2005 · Last updated 1:32 p.m. PT
Border Patrol agents deliver baby in truck
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas -- A pregnant Mexican woman who got caught after crossing illegally into the United States gave birth in the back of a Border Patrol agent's vehicle.
The baby is an American citizen because she was born on U.S. soil. But her fate, and that of her mother, are still uncertain. The girl was born 2 1/2 months prematurely and weighed less than 2 pounds.
She was named Sarai Marisol in honor of Marisol Cantu, one of the agents who found her mother.
The woman told authorities she had crossed the border with a group led by a smuggler but was abandoned because she could not keep up. She had been walking for five or six days when she became exhausted, said Alejandro Lopez Bajo with the Mexican Consulate in Laredo.
She was in labor Sunday when three Border Patrol agents found her on the side of the road near the border city of Laredo. Minutes later, the agents delivered the tiny infant in the back of a Border Patrol sport utility vehicle.
"I've never seen anyone that far along in the brush," said Agent Jerry Doyal, a former hospital corpsman in the Navy who pinched the umbilical cord with his fingers.
The baby was at a Corpus Christi hospital with her mother.
The mother can either take her baby home or make a plea to remain in this country. U.S. immigration authorities sometimes go easier on mothers of infants.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Border%20Baby
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A pregnant Mexican woman who got caught after crossing illegally into the United States gave birth in the back of a Border Patrol agent's vehicle.
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All: This real example passed on by another FReeper is how this woman would have been handled if she had been an American in an illegal status inside Mexico at the time of her child's birth . .
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"Having been born in Mexico, my sons also have Mexican birth certificates. These birth certificates were issued to my wife and myself by a Mexican registrar. But since I was a foreigner, the registrar required me to show her my Mexican work permit in order to process the paperwork."
"I had to prove I was in Mexico legally for my son to have a birth certificate!"
"When my son was born (in Mexico) this process hit a hitch. My work permit was being renewed for the year, so it was temporarily out of my possession. The registrar would not issue the birth certificate until I had showed her my work permit. So it took us several more weeks to obtain it."
"Can you imagine what would happen in the United States if they refused a birth certificate to the child of an illegal alien?"
"The U.S. Constitution has been twisted to justify the automatic birth citizenship of children of illegal aliens."
"The Mexican constitution (Capitulo II, Articulo 30) actually stipulates that any baby born in Mexican territory, regardless of parentage, is Mexican. But apparently they’ve found a way around that—refusing to issue birth certificates if one or both parents is not in the country legally! How very clever!
The wordng of the Fourteenth Amendment is actually ".. subject to the jurisdiction.." In legal parlance "sub-ject to the law" and "subject to the jurisdiction" refer to completely different concepts. This is why Native Americans did not become citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment (this was changed by another law in 1924). This error crept in in Post 192 as far as I can tell.
| Member Opinion | |||
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| I SUPPORT a guest worker program. | 59.7% |  |
2,063 |
| I don't support any guest worker program. | 20.4% | |
706 |
| No Mexican Untermenschen at all! | 7.5% | |
258 |
| 87.6% | 3,027 | ||
Such a nonsense Bill to prevent "anchor babies" will get nowhere in Congress; it is only dung.
Ya'll want to stop "anchor babies"? Too damned bad, it ain't going to happen mates. And good it shouldn't.
A "Constitutional Amendment", ratified by the States, is in order.
Until then the "14th" is the "14th". To bad, so sad, T.S.
Of course there is probably some scum fanatic supremicschit types who would not even want a child to be a Citizen of these United States if one parent is not yet a Citizen but the other is a Citizen. Damned dung for brain types.
Where's the Bill to kick illegals out?
The Oath of The President - check it out.
GOOD!!!
Let's hope it passes!
I'm with you, let's push this thru!
COSTA RICA - Citizenship law is based upon the Constitution of Costa Rica. BY BIRTH: Child born within the territory of Costa Rica, regardless of the nationality of the parents.
BRAZIL - Brazilian citizenship is regulated by Law #818 of September 18, 1949, amended by Decree Law #961 of October 13, 1969, and Constitutional Amendment #3 of June 6, 1994. BY BIRTH: Child born in Brazil regardless of the nationality of the parents.
URUGUAY - Citizenship laws are based upon the Constitution of the Oriental Republic of Uruguay. BY BIRTH: Child born within the Republic of Uruguay, regardless of the nationality of the parents. Uruguayan law refers to this as “natural” citizenship.
ARGENTINA - Argentine citizenship is based upon Argentine Citizenship Law #346. BY BIRTH: Child born in Argentina, except to accredited ministers of foreign powers. Child born in Argentine legations or on Argentine warships. Child born in neutral waters on ships flying the Argentine flag.
CHILE - Information concerning the basis for Chilean citizenship law was not provided. BY BIRTH: Child born in the territory of Chile, regardless of the nationality of the parents. The exceptions are children of foreign diplomats or of transient foreigners.
VENEZUELA - Citizenship Laws are based upon the Constitution of Venezuela. BY BIRTH: Child born within the territory of the Republic of Venezuela regardless of the nationality of the parents.
PANAMA - Citizenship regulations are outlined in the Panamanian Constitution. BY BIRTH: Child born within the territory of the Republic of Panama, regardless of the nationality of the parents.
COLOMBIA - Citizenship is based upon the Constitution of Colombia, dated July 1991, and Citizenship Law No.43, dated February 1, 1993. BY BIRTH: Birth within the territory of Colombia does not automatically confer citizenship.
http://www.multiplecitizenship.com/documents/IS-01.pdf
Personally, I like the Chilean law.
We must modify and adapt our immigration law or else our government will not be able to absorb the mass influx of illegal aliens. Disaster is what we are asking for if it is not changed to reflect the reality of this crisis.
(BTW: Mexico guards her Souther Border with ferocious tenacity. It's wide-open Norther Border with the United States has now become Mexico's lifeline for survival.)
Thanks M.I. for your usual solid contributions . .
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CHILE - Information concerning the basis for Chilean citizenship law was not provided. BY BIRTH: Child born in the territory of Chile, regardless of the nationality of the parents. The exceptions are children of foreign diplomats or of transient foreigners.
The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 is clear evidence that Congress, based on the jurisdiction clause can exclude children of illegals from automatic citizenship. It's not a matter of whether Congress has the authority, they do, it's about having the will to pass the legislation.
EVERY American citizen should be the fruit of a LEGAL American citizen. Only children of people who came here legally should ever be granted citizenship rights. That's common sense. You take the oath, you get in. You don't, you don't.
Yes! Amend the constitution if necessary! This was never what was intended when it was written!
I OPPOSED ALL ILLEGAL immigration, and have no problem doing whatever it takes, on both the supply and demand side, to end illegals.
I favor ENGLISH ONLY in classrooms and public places. I love immigrants: this is a nation built on immigrants, including fine Mexican immigrants---but they assimilated (more slowly in the past than now, but the technology now means they should assimilate even faster than they do).
I like Tom T, and think he made a stupid comment about Mecca---that only hurt us. But his immigration proposals are pretty much on target.
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