Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

NCTimes ^

[FreedomCalls]

What does that have to do with it?

You said you were leaving being a conservative. Where are you going then if not to the liberals?

[dennisw]

Present U.S. anchor baby "policy" is an abuse of the 14th Amendment. This amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the civil rights of native-born black Americans, who had recently been freed from slavery and whose rights were being denied. The amendment states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...." The clear, original intent of the 14th Amendment was spelled out in 1866 by Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of its citizenship clause, who wrote "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Clearly the original intent of the 14th Amendment was not to encourage foreigners to defy U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Sadly the amendment is now being employed to do just that.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/ANCHORBABIES/AnchorBabiesAllanWall.html

[Melas]

Two things: One, I though American patrol was off limits to post on this site. Two ya gotta be careful how you word things. The language of the amendment is clear. All persons born, period. Not all persons born of citizens, or all white people, or all black people or all fuzzy people. There isn't a qualifying clause to be found. It's all persons born. Period.

[FreedomCalls]

Last I saw, Medellin v. Dretke hadn't been heard by SCOTUS yet.

Sorry, I thought it had been decided. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out then. It looks like it is scheduled to be argued on March 28th. If they find for Medellin it could affect this issue, no?

[Melas]

Possibly, but I strongly suspect that SCOTUS will uphold the findings of the lower court and that Medellin will be denied again.

[dennisw]

Looks like you can't handle someone disagreeing with you on the 14th Amendment and anchor babies. No matter what the source. And the original source is actually Allan Wall via Front Page Magazine, not American Patrol.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/browse_thread/thread/35fe005bfd7cd509/386e8f937f2f5e05?q=%22Most+countries+of+the+world+do+not%22&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3D%22Most+countries+of+the+world+do+not%22%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-08,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#386e8f937f2f5e05

[Happy2BMe]

I remember reading that original article. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

This was the law until about 1920-if my memory serves me correctly.

[dennisw]

I could swear Allen Wall posted here under his own name but it doesn't show up.

[chemainus]

It is there but there are loopholes. The biggest loophole is if the mexican gov't simply "fails' to get you a birth certificate.

Everyone born in Mexico is supposedly a Mexican Citizen forever. It is rather ironic but nations bent on conquest did this several thousand years ago. This was so the children of the raped women would be citizens and hopefully repopulate the warrior class.

[Happy2BMe]

"This was the law until about 1920-if my memory serves me correctly."

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We definitely are neck-deep in muddy water when it comes to just where naturalizing children born on American soil by foreign parents really is - seem hard to nail down.

Did the politicians do it to us again (beginning back in the 1920's)?

One thing is for sure, Anchor Baby immigration is the mainstream ticket for illegals to sink their teeth into when it comes to not leaving the United States.

[Happy2BMe]

Thanks for looking into it.

[lodwick]

Great news! Thanks.

[stevio]

I wasn't defendind them, I agree.

[Neoliberalnot]

It is implied. I just ask you to think about it.

[JustAnotherSavage]

"This was so the children of the raped women would be citizens and hopefully repopulate the warrior class."

Interesting. One of the "rituals" for MS-13 is gang rape.

[Euro-American Scum]

That's awful. Where will we get future generations of wages slaves for multinational corporations? Our economic future depends on this.

[FourtySeven]

Interesting and informative exchange between the two of you. It would seem that the proposed law could be upheld by the courts as constitutional, especially given the intent of the original author (of the 14th), and that the Supreme Court has clearly overturned a decision it made in the past with regard to the death penalty as it applies to minors.

However, this entire discussion is academic, as can be seen from this quote from the article:

Advocates for and against the measure, which has surfaced in various forms before, said the bill is unlikely to go far in Congress. The bill is now in the House Judiciary Committee. No hearing on the bill has been scheduled.

"This is really a perennial bill; it comes up each spring," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant-rights advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. "It gets a handful of co-sponsors and never sees the light of day."

I tend to believe Ms. Kelley is right about the bill not seeing the light of day, especially given the fact it's a perennial bill.

[FBD]

A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM in D.C.
April 23- 28, 2005

This is Roger Hedgecock's event.

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/travel_current.html

A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM-
Hold Their Feet to the Fire XI with Roger Hedgecock - April 23- 28, 2005

[Dante3]

Of course they should not become citizens. Only children of American citizens should be citizens. It is absurd to give citizenship to a child even of foreigners legally in this country, such as tourists.