Posted on 02/28/2005 6:58:54 PM PST by Lessismore
I am frequently the only American in some of my Comp Sci classes.
well duh, thats whos getting offshore jobs
When I was getting my IT degree at U MD in the early 90s, the teachers and TAs were predominately foreign and they catered to other foreign students of the same nationalities.
One proffessor for example wrote in the smallest of letters on the marker board and ran on in a monotone with that Indian accent that most Americans just couldnt understand.
I would stop him about every third statement and ask him to repeat himself but it didnt even slow him down. I finally just dropped the class.
At another University a proffesor was known to openly insult AMerican students as stupid and ignorant and boasted that no American had ever earned an 'A' in her class.
In short, the ethnic dominance of foreign proffessors perpetuates the dominance of foreign students in advanced degrees from what I have seen.
Americans are weeded out by imposing foreign ethnic standards/language accents and obnoxious behavior that makes a restrained hostility toward Awmerican students very apparent.
Thank you Congress for flooding our engineering fields with foreign mercenaries who have takenover entire industries from Americans.
When the dollar drops low enough that these mercenaries leave to start rival companies, we will be so happy that all you political...proffessionals got all that campaign money from the H1-Bs you let come in.
sig, do you find it difficult to study with any of those foeign students?
Do you see them forming study groups that pointedly leave Americans out?
Considering that the schools are turning out students who can barely read or write, who have to take remedial tests just to prove that they learned what should have been taught in 8th grade ... this is hardly surprising.
And the Liberals will all scream as their kids, who can't perform are discriminated against by Indian/Asian/Home taught students who actually put forth an effort to learn.
I didn't find that to be the case at my University. We had many foreign students from all over the globe.
The Eastern Europeans (former Soviet Bloc) and the Asians were harder working than the Americans.
They can't touch us in Womens studies though!
Yes. If there are group projects, the nationalities all team up together. Never had any problems because of it though.
It just amazes me that people repeat that canard all the while:
1) they would never say that about a specific ethnic group. Which American ethnicities are less hard working? Which genders?
2) Our fine fighting soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines are such great warriors, tirelessly fighting for our freedoms.
Then they become civilians and become lazy bastages, shiftless and wont work as hard as foreigners?
BS.
Foreign students study in a more rote-oriented way, memorizing data and often do not have a deeper understanding of the material which comes out if you ask questions that require any combination of the information to form new conclusions.
In general, Americans are a lot better at taking the information they have and forming new conclusions that are acurate.
Meanwhile, the study sessions/groups/meetings were segregated by ethnicity and Americans were unwelcome in them.
Being prepared and being interested are two entirely different things. My son is actually very good in math & science, but is not interested at all in a technical career.
Instead, he wants to become a lawyer because he's convinced that's where the money is (true enough, relatively speaking), and because of the negative "nerd" stereotype American pop culture perpetuates with regard to people in math & science related fields.
Until American society/law stops rewarding lawyers and other lucrative career alternatives over many of the more productive professions, that's where our best & brightest will go. You reap what you sow.
You never had any problems with it?
Then why do you think they group up?
Because it makes studying easier?
If it makes it easier for them, then wouldnt it likely make it easier for you?
They dont want to group study with Americans because they like to let loose with all their anti-American bigotry while they study (that they speak in their home language) and hide it from you.
Meanwhile, you are left at a disadvantage without helpful peers because they are bigots toward Americans, and you dont even realize it.
Then people like some of the posters above come along and slam American students like you as not being as good as the foreigners.
And now its your turn to strike a pose disdaining what I say and distancing yourself from anything that might be labeled as 'anti-foreigner' or 'xenophobic'.
LOL, we Americans are slow at one thing though; waking up to the inherent ethnic definitions of mankind that everyone else plays by.
It isn't a canard from my experience. The Asian/Indian/ Eastern Bloc students were much more diligent students. The Americans, like me who were paying their own freight, studied hard, as well.
The Americans who were being underwritten by their parents or their employers did minimal work. We were not segregated in study groups and it was a struggle to try to understand the Chinese and the French who spoke much better English than I could ever try with their home languages.
My husband is retired Army and my eldest son is active duty Navy, FWIW.
BTW, the word gender applies to language and not to the sexes.
Bingo. Engineers get the chicks in China and India.
They get the pranks and are the butt of jokes in America.
I think that what you say is true, generally.
In addition, when US students do get a Bachelor's degree in engineering and science, they usually go directly into industry, rather than spend the extra 5 years getting a PhD.
Foreign students, on the other hand, may already have a Bachelor's degree from a foreign university and are using the US graduate school and degree as a way to gain entry to the US. Thus they are more motivated to go on to graduate school.
Finally, since the Universities require their professors to have a PhD, the faculty tends to reflect the composition of the graduate school, and be largely foreign-born.
Why do you feel it necesary to point out that the foreign proffessors spoke better English than you did their language?
Why would you be expected to?
They were hired to teach in AMERICA, not France or India.
Good greif, and yes, I know the difference between sex and gender, so what? That is not the common usage today. Had I said sex you might have felt put in an uncomfortable environemnt or something, lol!
The "preparation problem" is that the brightest students are bright enough to figure out that this is a bad career choice presently.
Unless the opportunities are better you just won't see the enrollments go back up.
Ward Churchill wanst required to have a Phd.
Cant you see what is happening?
The engineering departments used to be one of the few departments not taken over by leftists, but now it is run by foreigners who are mostly socialists.
The university system is becoming a haven for anyone that is unAMerican or hates America.
And it chaps my rear that my tax money is going to pay for these havens of little Cuba, Delhi, or Beijing.
Where are AMERICAN CHILDREN SUPPOSED TO GO TO SCHOOL?
I didn't have foreign professors, I went to graduate school with foreign students.
I expect people to spell correctly and use proper grammer in any language they are speaking or posting. "Common" usage does not make it correct.
I've told my son he can get a bachelor's in engineering, and then go get his master's to become a lawyer.
I think it is a good combination.
Of course, my son is only 10, but I'm trying to prepare him early.
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