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Activist Judge Greer plays 'God' as arbiter of life and death - (Catholic Church viewpoint)
CATHOLIC ONLINE.ORG ^ | FEBRUARY 28, 2005 | BARB KRALIS

Posted on 02/28/2005 2:45:29 PM PST by CHARLITE

"No one can be the arbiter of life except God himself." [1]

America suffers from the rule of judges supplanting the rule of law and the will of the people. Men in black robes, rather than legislators, are making and repealing laws. Man's laws and natural laws are being undermined not by legal reasoning but fiat. [2]

Let us look at the judicial homicide case of Terri Schiavo.

In 'virulent judicial activism,'[3] Circuit Judge George Greer of Pinellas County, Florida has recently stated he is no longer "comfortable" in granting Terri Schiavo another 'stay of execution.'

And so, Judge Greer next issued a court order mandating that on March 18, 2005, Terri's palliative care, which is ordinary 'nutrition and hydration' (also crudely known as a 'feeding tube') will be removed, commencing her most painful death by starvation/dehydration.[4]

It is important to understand that a person's 'nutrition and hydration,' whether they are sick or dying, is palliative [normal] care. It is certainly not extraordinary care, as many 'right-to-die' left-leaning judges, attorneys, and the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops wish us to believe. Contrary to what Terri's own Bishop Robert Lynch[5] falsely teaches, the Vatican teaches that 'nutrition and hydration' can never be withheld [see Pope John Paul II teachings below].

Earlier this year, in a 27-page brief, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, on January 21, 2005, asked the U.S. Supreme Court justices to review and reverse the Florida Supreme Court's Sept. 23 ruling that struck down Florida's "35E Bill - Terri's Law" as unconstitutional. Bush's attorneys argued that the lower courts had denied federally protected rights to due process and equal protection.

Three days later, the nation's nine top justices declined to review the Florida Supreme Court's rescission of "35E Bill - Terri's Law." Gov. Bush vows to continue pursuing all legal options available to him before the March 18 death knell.

Activist Judge Greer has subverted the law by rejecting mountains of evidence and medical information that would have saved Terri from husband Michael and attorney George Felos' suspicious quest to have her murdered. Under Greer's liberal judicial rulings, Terri has been denied her Constitutional right to life and lawful due process.[6]

Subsequently, Judge Greer, the evil facilitator, wrongfully serves as 'God' and arbiter of Terri's life and death.

Is it possible that a criminal case can be made against Michael Schiavo, Attorney Felos, and Judge Greer for 'conspiracy to commit murder?'

Concerning the decades-long despotic exploitation of power by activist judges supplanting the will of the people, outspoken and fearless Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote:

"The Court must be living in another world. Day by day, case by case, it is busy designing a Constitution for a country I do not recognize."[7]

Justice Scalia, a Roman Catholic, whose jurisprudence emphasizes the original meaning of the Constitution and its literal wording of statutes, calls himself a Constitutional 'textualist.'[8] He recently said his colleagues might soon discover a right to assisted suicide between the lines of the text of the Constitution:

"We're not ready to announce [euthanasia] right now. Check back with us," he sarcastically warned.

Another [former] judge who also advocates original or textual interpretation of the Constitution is former U.S. Solicitor General[9] and U.S. Attorney General Robert H. Bork. In his new book, Robert Bork, describes the judicial oligarchy[10] enforcing a new ideology that he calls "lifestyle socialism."[11]

"We are increasingly governed not by law or elected representatives, but by unelected, unrepresentative, unaccountable committees of lawyers applying no law other than their own will. … What judges have wrought is a coup d'etat – slow-moving and genteel – but a coup d'etat nonetheless."

Recently, Roman Catholic Robert Bork wrote in the Wall Street Journal:

"The Supreme Court has created a more permissive abortion regime than any state had enacted; prohibited any exercise or symbol of religion touching even remotely upon government; made the death penalty extremely difficult to impose and execute; disabled states from suppressing pornography; catered to the feminist agenda, including outlawing state all-male military schools; created a labyrinth of procedures making criminal prosecutions ever more difficult; used racial classifications to exclude children from their neighborhood public schools; perverted the political process by upholding campaign finance limits that shift political power to incumbents, journalists and labor unions; licensed the advocacy of violence and law violation; and protected as free speech computer-generated child pornography. These decisions are activist, i.e., not plausibly related to the actual Constitution."[12]

World moral leader Pope John Paul II declared recently that withholding 'nutrition and hydration' is "euthanasia by omission" and is forbidden.[13]

"No matter how sick a person is, he is and will always be a man, never becoming a vegetable or animal," said the Holy Father. Thank God, the ailing Pope does not reside in Pinellas County.

Nonetheless, disregarding Terri's personal Catholic faith, the arrogant activist Judge Greer had twice before ordered Terri's 'nutrition and hydration' removed. The first execution was commenced in April 200l, whereas Terri suffered two-and-a-half days of starvation and dehydration. Again, another execution was commenced in October 2003.

Due to the 'special session' intervention of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the Legislature on October 21, passed "35E Bill – Terry's Law," allowing Terri's palliative care resumed after six days of excruciating pain.

On May 6, 2004, liberal activist Judge W. Douglas Baird of Pinellas Circuit Court, ruled "35E Bill - Terri's Law" unconstitutional.

Terri Schiavo is non-terminal, non-PVS, she is not near death, she is not even sick. Terri can speak a few words and expresses joy and excitement at seeing her family. In fact, Terri can be trained from requiring the 'feeding tube.' Terri suffers from brain damage or cognitive disability, which can be treated and improved, although there are varying 'opinions' as to the degree of improvement expected. To date, her estranged, adulterous husband, Michael Schiavo, has curiously withheld this traditional, basic therapy from Terri.

The Catholic Church teaches that morally no one may remove 'nutrition and hydration' from another simply because they suffer from illness or are near death. If a person were near death, and Terri Schiavo certainly is not, compassionate caregivers and loved ones would not want to cause excruciating pain and agony due to withdrawal of food and water to a terminal patient in their last days. Nutrition and hydration should always be administered as humane, palliative, and ordinary care.[14]

Recently, Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, spoke to Vatican Radio in an appeal to Judge Greer, Terri's husband Michael and Michael's 'right-to-die' attorney George Felos to save Terri's life.[15]

"If Mr. Schiavo succeeds legally in causing the death of his [16] wife, this not only would be tragic in itself, but would be a grave step toward the legal approval of euthanasia in the United States.

"I would like to remind everyone in this connection, about all that the Holy Father has said in past days to the Pontifical Academy for Life, confirming that the quality of life is not interpreted as economic success, beauty and physical pleasure, but consists in the supreme dignity of the creature made in the image and likeness of God," Cardinal Martino said.

"No one can be the arbiter of life except God himself" [Pope JPII].


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: arbiter; catholic; church; florida; god; godslaws; johnpaulii; judgegreer; life; manslaws; meninblack; pope; schiavo; teachings; terri; terrischaivo; terrischiavo
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To: EternalVigilance

And you, Eternal Vigilance are one of the biggest offenders.


61 posted on 03/01/2005 2:06:29 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47
And you, Eternal Vigilance are one of the biggest offenders.

Yes, I'm always an offense to those who promote the culture of death. I can live with that...

62 posted on 03/01/2005 2:08:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Freedom. Brought to you by the grace of God and the Red, White and Blue...)
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To: flaglady47; Jim Robinson
they've got to be thinking that there are a bunch of far rightwing religious zealots on this website and nothing else

From the founder of Free Republic, Jim Robinson:

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My Source

63 posted on 03/01/2005 2:10:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW

"they've got to be thinking that there are a bunch of far rightwing religious zealots on this website and nothing else"

You obviously missed the words "far" and "zealots" in my comment. I don't see those words in the Robinson quote, do you? But go ahead, believe that this website is as you want it to be. Maybe it now is. Like "Hildy", I'm going to devote a lot more time to other websites, as I believe this one is being taken over by absolutists and those who are trying to snuff out free speech. That takes the "Free" out of Free Republic.


64 posted on 03/01/2005 2:50:45 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47; Jim Robinson
You obviously missed the words "far" and "zealots" in my comment.

Apparently you missed "pro-life" in Jims comments.

65 posted on 03/01/2005 2:55:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW

End of minimal conversation. Talk to yourself. I'm going surfing for more hospitable Republican sites with hopefully no Schiavo threads like the ones here on FR. Will wait until the Schiavo issue is resolved and will then check back to see if anything has changed. Hopefully that will be the case. Bye bye.


66 posted on 03/01/2005 3:03:28 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47

What a whiney statement.
Just because you meet disagreement, you'll leave?
And just because your statement making a broadbrush smear against all of FR isn't tolerated, you'll cut and run?

Tell Hoverbug I said hello.


67 posted on 03/01/2005 3:24:52 PM PST by Darksheare (Tagline error. Expected file 'zot.class' not present. Contact site Admin.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
It's difficult to understand why people don't err on the side of life.

You *assume* that wasn't done and you *assume* there is a "life"... which is my point. It appears the responsible medical opinions believe she is in a PVS (i.e. brain dead).

Basically, this could be litigated for a very long time and the Judge has correctly noted that and put an end to it.

To their credit, the parents obviously love and miss the daughter. It's a tragic thing to loose a child, but all the litigation in the world is not likely to restore her to them.

The husband may believe his is acting in the best interest of a woman whom he loved... or he may be a bastard. I can't say what's in his heart, and neither can anyone else.

If he is what some people say and there is a just God, he will be held accountable.

68 posted on 03/01/2005 3:56:50 PM PST by dfrussell
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To: DJ MacWoW

I can't find you or the post on board.


69 posted on 03/01/2005 4:41:06 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: ruoflaw

found it!


70 posted on 03/01/2005 4:44:24 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: CHARLITE

Seems they sent abortion to the Catholic NONO bin with that first statement.


71 posted on 03/01/2005 5:03:51 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: OhioAttorney; KDD

It is hard, not to react. But OhioA is right. They want ATTENTION. Ignoring them is the most damaging thing you can do.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Advice is worth what you pay for it..... blah, blah, blah.

How are you all ? Hope things are going good in your lives.


72 posted on 03/01/2005 5:06:24 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: 1Peter3v14
It's all because of the judge.

There is a coverup of previous DCF investigation.. Go to www.theempirejournal.com

This is the most recent article http://www.theempirejournal.com/030105091_schiavo_judge_greer_su.htm

Too much dirt in the articles there from the past week to be swept under the rug any longer. Please go read some of them. FYI we can only post the links and title on FR.

Also Conversation with Terri

73 posted on 03/01/2005 5:08:10 PM PST by tutstar ( <{{---><Petition to Impeach Judge Greer http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html)
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To: CHARLITE
Recently, Roman Catholic Robert Bork wrote in the Wall Street Journal:

"The Supreme Court has created a more permissive abortion regime than any state had enacted; prohibited any exercise or symbol of religion touching even remotely upon government; made the death penalty extremely difficult to impose and execute; disabled states from suppressing pornography; catered to the feminist agenda, including outlawing state all-male military schools; created a labyrinth of procedures making criminal prosecutions ever more difficult; used racial classifications to exclude children from their neighborhood public schools; perverted the political process by upholding campaign finance limits that shift political power to incumbents, journalists and labor unions; licensed the advocacy of violence and law violation; and protected as free speech computer-generated child pornography. These decisions are activist, i.e., not plausibly related to the actual Constitution."

This man should be one of the judicial nominees, the man is brilliant, honest and articulate and an enemy to the left wing fascists of America.
74 posted on 03/01/2005 5:13:54 PM PST by ohhhh
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To: dfrussell
You *assume* that wasn't done and you *assume* there is a "life"... which is my point

I don't *assume* it. I believe the affadavits of doctors and nurses.

It appears the responsible medical opinions believe she is in a PVS

There's the rub. You believe Schiavos doctors who spent a very short time with her. I believe Dr Hammesfahr who spent 10 hours with her and says that Terri was sedated when the PVS crowd saw her. It's ok for us to disagree.

Basically, this could be litigated for a very long time and the Judge has correctly noted that and put an end to it.

You have faith in the judge that I do not. I've read too much about him to be comfortable with trusting him. He deems hearsay by Schiavos brother and sister in law as credible and allows it into evidence but in the same hearing rules hearsay from Terri's friend and her brother not credible so it's never heard by a higher court. These sorts of things have happened repeatedly.

I can't say what's in his heart, and neither can anyone else.

Actions speak louder than words. All that's needed is some common sense. Grandma used to say, "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do".

75 posted on 03/01/2005 8:28:26 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: CHARLITE

Palm Sunday bump


76 posted on 03/20/2005 4:37:46 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: CHARLITE
There's a lot of detail in all these threads about Terri Schiavo. But, there is one thing missing - there is a reason why there is a separate word for LAW and a separate word for JUSTICE.

The politics of this are staggering, and despicable. Let's not forget what this is all about - a person. Leave the rest of it for some other issue.

77 posted on 03/20/2005 4:41:31 PM PST by Bernard
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To: supercat

No icechips even. And no natural sunlight (blinds drawn), can't go outside, even though she is strong enough to do so.

What is wrong with this "judge"?


78 posted on 03/20/2005 5:02:09 PM PST by ladylib
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To: CHARLITE

Give me a break...nothing they have done has been illegal. you obviously don't agree with it, but it sure as hell ain't illegal. This wasn't done in the dead of night...this has been seven freakin years in the making. At least come up with a better argument.


79 posted on 03/20/2005 5:04:31 PM PST by Hildy
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To: ladylib
What is wrong with this "judge"?

He knows that if Terri is proven not-PVS, he'll be in big trouble, so he has to prevent it.

80 posted on 03/20/2005 6:03:09 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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