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Neighbors, cops back 'snitch' in shooting (CA)
Oakland Tribune ^ | 2/26/05 | Cecily Burt, STAFF WRITER

Posted on 02/27/2005 6:43:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo

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To: Lancey Howard
He may be a hero but he needs to work on his aim.

His aim is not too bad -- something like 80% of handgun bullets miss their target when fired by trained processionals, but he got a hit.

He may be a hero but he needs work on his sanity. There are thousands of other towns in the country he could live -- places that won't expose him or his family to the risks that he now faces.

21 posted on 02/27/2005 7:35:02 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: investigateworld

I think that Jerry Moonbeam is still running things ~ that's the ultimate blame for this thread's topic.

I moved out after two years, about fifteen years ago. Though the weather and amities were swell, the native language and culture were not adaptable, mallable, or workable.


22 posted on 02/27/2005 7:53:07 PM PST by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: 68skylark

Excellent point.


23 posted on 02/27/2005 7:53:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: antonia
You can live very comfortably with a minimal investment in housing

This is the only part of your post I can take issue with. Housing prices are pretty crazy now, even in Oakland. The only place you can find a shack for under $400,000. in the Bay Area is North of Ukiah (Willits); East of Sonoma-Napa Counties (Lake County); or near Vallejo-Fairfield.

24 posted on 02/27/2005 8:12:42 PM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

bump


25 posted on 02/27/2005 8:42:02 PM PST by RippleFire ("It's a joke, son!")
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To: antonia
I loved Berkeley as a kid. Not for love or money have I gone there for years. The places oozes ectoplasmic goo.

And I remember the Berkeley Campus of the mid70s. Believe or not, it was a really lovely and relatively safe place for a youngster to hang out. And like you wrote; sit at a table alone, and find lots of friendly people to visit with. it's so different there, now.

You are still young, beautiful, and carefree. Laughter and Joy are ageless!

26 posted on 02/28/2005 3:51:24 AM PST by Alia
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To: NormsRevenge
I do understand the why's beneath the "low-income" home incentive. Many are trying to clean up the place; make it habitable. And, ownership is key to turning many slums around. But cops have better things to do than to clean-up youth gang cultchah when the Bay Area is host to far more sinister "gang operations".

The parents of the shot thug are part of the problem. A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM. They take no responsibility for how they've raised their own. They see deep pockets. They've got their own racket going within the community under the rubric of "identity politics".

27 posted on 02/28/2005 3:55:18 AM PST by Alia
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To: freebilly
I wish that I had been interested in real estate investment fifteen years ago.

From this story, it sounds like groups of people should get together, perhaps using the legal tool of a syndicate of even incorporation, to buy up whole neighborhoods, in Oakland, and rehabilitate them, while retaining control over their own safety and protection of their investments.

Imagine the turnover value of a gated community in that area. Also if such communities could be developed they might bring in people who would make more realistic choices in the government's actions.

The Oakland Board of Education gave birth to the idea incorporating Ebonics in to their curriculum as a legitimate foreign language.

Ebonics Language Lesson

CAL Ebonics Information

28 posted on 02/28/2005 5:22:44 AM PST by antonia ("Democracy is the worst type of government, excepting all others." ~ Churchill)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Ya gotta drag the punk back inside the doorway to make it legitimate.


29 posted on 02/28/2005 5:25:21 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: antonia
I wish that I had been interested in real estate investment fifteen years ago.

Me, too, but I'm trying to make up for lost time. ;o)

it sounds like groups of people should get together, perhaps using the legal tool of a syndicate of even incorporation, to buy up whole neighborhoods, in Oakland, and rehabilitate them, while retaining control over their own safety and protection of their investments.

Could work.

30 posted on 02/28/2005 7:57:42 AM PST by freebilly (I am The Thread Killer! DO NOT REPLY!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I heard Mr. McCullough interviewed by Barbara Simpson on KSFO am radio in San Francisco last evening. Good interview, sad situation. Makes me sick how the perps are now the victims, and actual victims are punished if they have the temerity to fight back and protect their homes and families.


31 posted on 02/28/2005 8:04:42 AM PST by .38sw
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To: Alia

I understand your reasoning, parents should not get a FRee pass., agreed.

In Oakland, gangs are problem number 1 or very high up there,, also, doesn't Oakland have the highest paroleee population in the state?

It seems to be a breeder ground for crime and criminals.. and not to mention the sideshows where innocents get killed just for having turned down a wrong street at night.


32 posted on 02/28/2005 8:42:30 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The concealed weapon charge won't fly. You can carry any way you please on your own property. Assault's another matter; but, a small mob of gang members on the lawn would easily pass California's "reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury" test. He had already been attacked at that point. He also showed forbearance by not shooting the little puke right off the bat. This is evidence that he did not panic and did not act recklessly. He clearly waited until a threat of "death or great bodily injury" had materialized before resorting to deadly force.
33 posted on 02/28/2005 8:56:03 AM PST by Redcloak (More cleverly arranged 1's and 0's)
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To: NormsRevenge
Thank GOD you posted me back, NormsRevenge; I'm growing spitballs off my hair by the moment posting with people who think Circumcision is Sexual Mutilation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And not only that! But now, it's because there was a conspiracy, a medical one, to stop boys from "masturbating" and that's why! they circumcized. whew.

Back to the real world... NormsRevenge, thank you for hearing me rant. I dug up an old article concerning Oakland, and Jerry Brown I thought you'd find a perfect capper to this recent event, published October 25, 2002, CCTimes:

Oakland residents call for more police

---snip (no pun on the anti-circ stuff..) Critics of a ballot initiative authorizing 100 new police officers to fight Oakland's rising murder rate are slamming the plan as a misguided and costly approach. "This is not going to really solve any problems," said former Black Panther Bobby Seale, who recently moved back to Oakland and appeared at a news conference Tuesday denouncing the initiative.

34 posted on 02/28/2005 2:57:50 PM PST by Alia
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To: Mr. Mojo; freebilly; Alia; pillbox_girl; thoughtomator; Choose Ye This Day; Welsh Rabbit; ...

I'm in the process of compiling a ping-list for firearms-related self-defense stories. If you want to be on it, Freepmail me and let me know.


35 posted on 03/07/2005 9:03:07 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Please! Thank you.


36 posted on 03/07/2005 10:28:08 AM PST by Alia
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