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Grounded: Millionaire John Gilmore stays close to home while making a point about privacy
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Sunday, Feb. 27, 2005 | Dennis Roddy

Posted on 02/27/2005 7:13:06 AM PST by TheBlackFeather

He's unable to travel because he refuses to present a government-approved ID

SAN FRANCISCO -- John Gilmore's splendid isolation began July 4, 2002, when, with defiance aforethought, he strolled to the Southwest Airlines counter at Oakland Airport and presented his ticket.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghpostgazette.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dramaqueens; govwatch; homelandsecurity; johngilmore; libertarians; nationalid; patriotact; privacy; tsa
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

I think what you are missing is that the 'security' that is being shown is just that, a show. How many blonde American five year olds and 80 year old grannies and MOH winners are terrorists? Did I mention the good looking ladies that are built oh so nicely that get felt up? They are not the problem, but they are the ones getting the scrutiny at the airports while it's not considered PC to stop and frisk every middle eastern looking man aged 25 to 44 who has been the freaking problem.

It's a security show and you are buying it.

I was just in DC and watched the biggest security farce in my life. They had a few hundred overpaid and underqualified 'police' in one building checking IDs when you entered. On my 3rd entry into the building I told them that I had no ID and I still got in. Worse yet, the drive in checkpoints were less than useless. On one previous occassion, I have had my firearm with me and I was never searched or scanned.

It's a joke, son. But some of us aren't laughing cuz it just ain't funny. It's just expensive and intrusive and does nothing other than make sheep like you FEEL safe.


181 posted on 02/27/2005 9:50:01 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

You are perfectly free to start your own airline and hop aboard your own private jet all you want to.


182 posted on 02/27/2005 9:50:28 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: TheBlackFeather
When someone figures out how an individual passenger's explosions can be kept to just himself, I'll get worked up over this. Until then, we have a right to travel (as does the nitwit described in the article), just not by public conveyance.
183 posted on 02/27/2005 9:50:28 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: TheBlackFeather
As common carriers,the airlines are responsible for the safety of the traveling public,not the government.They should be left to make their own rules regarding safety and screening.If they want to use profiling or preferred passenger lists,so be it.In a word,they could be sensitive to their paying patrons,rather than to the minority of the week.

I suggest they double their fares.This would do many things.It would clear out the airports so that ALL baggage and passsengers could be screened.It would give them the funds to do this.It might spur the use of rails,or the development of modern rails.

The cost of a coast to coast trip is cheaper now than it was 35 years ago.This at a time when fuel costs and labor costs are higher than ever.

The government should only maintain customs facilities at international airports.They should only deal with international passengers.

184 posted on 02/27/2005 9:52:35 AM PST by kennyo
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To: TheBlackFeather
He has a right to not present his ID and the airline has a right not to let him fly without it. You can get a state ID that proves who you are even if you don't drive.

IMHO, photo ID needs to be presented in order to VOTE!

These people who think their rights overide everyone else's right can just walk.

185 posted on 02/27/2005 9:52:50 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Publius Valerius
Not avoiding any questions here...
There are people in this country who are not allowed on airline flights...This check adds another layer of safety, in that i.d.'s can help vet these people from boarding...(note the word "help")
186 posted on 02/27/2005 9:52:52 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: Badray

Drug smugglers use old ladies and baby's diapers to carry their contraband for them. If we are to ignore caucasians in our WOT, then Jose Padilla, Richard Reid, and John Walker Lindh would get free passes.


187 posted on 02/27/2005 9:53:18 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: freebilly
I'm wasting a response on yer gonna put yer eye out because he and his ilk are just as dangerous as Hillary Clinton. Like her, his response is "We're gonna take away some of your rights for the common good." They're part of the same tree. They just hang from different branches, and if they had their way they'd hang Freedom from one of those branches, too.

Now THAT was well said. Thank you.

188 posted on 02/27/2005 9:53:29 AM PST by Badray (Quinn's First Law -- Liberalism ALWAYS generates the exact opposite of its stated intent.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

See post # 156


189 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:12 AM PST by yer gonna put yer eye out (Gettin' a PhD (Prettyhard on Democrats) at FR)
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To: Copernicus

Kafkaland? Ask the marines...specifically the LT.


190 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:31 AM PST by ArmyTeach (Not on my watch..)
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To: McGavin999
Agree. Agree again.
191 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:39 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Leatherneck_MT
From the looks of things on the article, it's the ONLY thing I agree with him on, but on this one, he is spot on.

Quite frustrating isn't it? That someone, who is apparently left leaning, would bring up an issue about rights that conservatives should be demanding daily.

192 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:46 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: freebilly

I didn't know our country has secret laws that you are not permitted to read.
I didn't know that our country, to maintain its secret laws, drops some criminal prosecutions just so those laws can't be challenged in court.
In essence, the government is saying if you are in position to challenge these laws, the government won't enforce them but if you don't challenge them, you have to live by them.
Thus, we have laws that favor criminals.


193 posted on 02/27/2005 9:54:59 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: TheBlackFeather
Every once in a while, and for too infrequently, one comes across a well-written article that both graces the use of words and paints them with fine, artistic brushes; this is one such piece.

Here we have a conundrum of immense though quiet implications for the current and future state of personal security and individual privacy so often given lip service while the predators lick their lips over their already finished meal.

The author draws a picture of an unlikely modern Quixote tilting at the largest windmill of them all, and we stand upwind of him for fear the fallout will land on us.

194 posted on 02/27/2005 9:55:13 AM PST by Old Professer (As truth and fiction blend in the Mixmaster of History almost any sauce can be made palatable.)
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

Being blind has it blessings...


195 posted on 02/27/2005 9:56:00 AM PST by Old Professer (As truth and fiction blend in the Mixmaster of History almost any sauce can be made palatable.)
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To: yer gonna put yer eye out

The 9/11 hijackers had government issued IDs. Were those flights any safer because everyone showed ID? Just curious.

Maybe we could coin a term--a "saf." It's a measure of safety. "Well, the plane did fly into a building, but don't worry, everyone on board had at least a 9 'saf' level."


196 posted on 02/27/2005 9:57:17 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Mrs Mark

So you believe you have a right to over ride the airline's personal property rights? It's their planes and they have a right to say who does and who does not fly in them.


197 posted on 02/27/2005 9:58:07 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Spktyr

It might be better if you read the whole article before weighing in, the man has epilepsy which precludes the issuance of a driver's license based on the state's judgement of public safety.


198 posted on 02/27/2005 9:58:11 AM PST by Old Professer (As truth and fiction blend in the Mixmaster of History almost any sauce can be made palatable.)
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To: Disambiguator

Whatever happened to that character?


199 posted on 02/27/2005 9:58:24 AM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: evolved_rage

I would guess his reasons are apolitic at least as far as parties go since the underlying law dates back to 1974.


200 posted on 02/27/2005 9:59:32 AM PST by Old Professer (As truth and fiction blend in the Mixmaster of History almost any sauce can be made palatable.)
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