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Queen 'Thinks Charles Has Put Gratification Before Duty' (Jug Ears deserves sympathy, not scorn)
The Telegraph ^ | February 27, 2004 | Andrew Alderson

Posted on 02/26/2005 7:35:11 PM PST by quidnunc

The Queen has "distanced" herself from the wedding of the Prince of Wales to Camilla Parker Bowles because she believes that her son is putting personal gratification before duty, royal courtiers have disclosed.

The courtiers also say privately that the Queen is "lukewarm" about the marriage and is worried that it could tarnish the monarchy.

Buckingham Palace announced last Tuesday that neither the Queen nor Prince Philip would be attending the civil marriage ceremony at Windsor Guildhall on April 8 because they wanted to keep the occasion "low key".

The announcement, however, was widely interpreted as a snub even though the Palace said that the Queen and other members of the Royal Family would attend the service of dedication afterwards at St George's Chapel. The Queen is also giving a wedding reception at Windsor Castle.

The courtiers said yesterday that Prince Charles's private office had been outmanoeuvred by Buckingham Palace and that Sir Robin Janvrin, the Queen's private secretary, had tried to protect her from becoming involved in a "town hall marriage" which demeaned her own status. One said: "Robin is very clever. As soon as he sensed controversy, he did what he always does and wrapped the Queen in cotton wool to make sure that she didn't get damaged by events.

The courtier said that Sir Robin's intervention was symptomatic of the Queen's long-standing concern over Charles's relationship with Camilla.

"The problems of the past week go back many years. The Queen believes that the Prince of Wales has put his own gratification and interests before duty by pursuing his relationship with Camilla, and she can never forgive that."

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(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: princecharles; royalwedding
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To: quidnunc
"He wanted to marry Camilla from the start by was forbidden to do so because she wasn't a virgin."

- I believe you are partly right. He cannot marry Camilla because she is a divorcee. Admitting divorcees into the royal family (as Queen) tends to cloud the issue of succession - especially if Charles should predecease her. How he plans to get around this practical as well as theological problem, I'm not sure.
101 posted on 02/27/2005 8:44:16 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Malleus Dei
Two things to examine:

http://www.londonnet.co.uk/ln/guide/themes/diana_lovers.html listing shows that Hewiit was 6 years and 4 lovers down the Di train when Harry was conceived.

As well British Army records show he was also few thousand miles distant.

look at the comparison photos of the two and see what you think.

Different jawline, ear and nose shape.

102 posted on 02/27/2005 8:46:09 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (No morality can be founded on authority., even if the authority were divine - Sir Alfred Jules Ayer)
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To: Dog
Can we all say King William..

Could we say "Republic of England?"

103 posted on 02/27/2005 8:49:11 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: finnigan2
finnigan2 wrote: ("He wanted to marry Camilla from the start by was forbidden to do so because she wasn't a virgin.") - I believe you are partly right. He cannot marry Camilla because she is a divorcee. Admitting divorcees into the royal family (as Queen) tends to cloud the issue of succession - especially if Charles should predecease her. How he plans to get around this practical as well as theological problem, I'm not sure.

I mean he wanted to marry her in the '70s before she married her first husband, but was unable to do so because he wasn't a virgin even then.

104 posted on 02/27/2005 8:51:50 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: dennisw
"Camilla [a 60 cig-per-day smoker]? I have a hard time believing this."

I don't.

It's one reason she's got that "high-mileage" look. Probably drinks like a fish as well.

105 posted on 02/27/2005 8:54:05 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Goodgirlinred
Diana was none of those things. She was a sweet girl. If she became neurotic, he drove her to it. How would you like to be married to someone who loved someone else and told that person he still loved her on YOUR WEDDING DAY??????

BUMP!

I have very little sympathy for Royals in general but even less for Charles.

Dianna was sacrificed for the vanity of the British Royalty. Charles couldn't find himself disposed to save her from the treatment he dealt her. In the end her misery consumed her and she pursued what solace she could outside of the Royal family since she apparently found no comfort within it.

Tragically sad. Still, it was unnecessary.

Charles will be judged simply by the British people's love of Dianna. Whether this is fair or unfair, it will be his legacy and more than likely cost him the throne.

I used to be very apathetic about the story of their relationship, but after having read what many British FReepers have shared regarding this ongoing disaster, I have become very disdainful of Charles and the whole situation.

My hope is that the British Royal line will find itself "renewed" with Prince William. At the very least I hope that will bring some satisfaction to our British friends and allies.

106 posted on 02/27/2005 9:02:08 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Lijahsbubbe; dighton
Don't miss this thread. There's something for everybody.

Since the monarchy is a very large and important tourist draw its termination would hurt Britain economically.

My solution: sell the monarchy to Disney. Put actors in the roles of the royal family and fire any who screw up.

As for the present gang, put then all in a new soap opera. After all, they've proven to be excellent role players. Windsor Street, anyone?

107 posted on 02/27/2005 9:02:21 AM PST by aculeus (This is not a tag line.)
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To: Caipirabob

I hope so, too. I see his mother in him. He looks like her and seems to have her sweetness. I hope he finds a bride whom he loves and who loves him, to heck what the royal family says. He and his brother deserve to be happy.

I don't feel any pity for Charles. He made his bed, now let him lie in it. Diana was truly loved by the people and she loved them back, especially the children.


108 posted on 02/27/2005 9:27:15 AM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: F16Fighter

I did check it out and she is a heavy smoker. Though she makes good attempts to quit. She might even be a non smoker now, what with the nuptials coming up. I never liked her image so I didn't notice her leathery hide but it all fits in. Seems she's an outdoorsy sort who likes fox hunts. She grew up in a rural area.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:XE_7cC4EqdUJ:smokingsides.com/asfs/P/Parker-Bowles.html+%22Camilla+Parker-Bowles%22++cigarettes&hl=en


109 posted on 02/27/2005 9:28:01 AM PST by dennisw (Seeing as how this is a .44 magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world .........)
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To: quidnunc

Thank God for the American Revolution.


110 posted on 02/27/2005 9:30:49 AM PST by petitfour
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To: quidnunc
I mean he wanted to marry her in the '70s before she married her first husband, but was unable to do so because he wasn't a virgin even then.

He wasn't a virgin when he married Diane either.

111 posted on 02/27/2005 9:53:17 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (No morality can be founded on authority., even if the authority were divine - Sir Alfred Jules Ayer)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Oztrich Boy wrote: (I mean he wanted to marry her in the '70s before she married her first husband, but was unable to do so because he wasn't a virgin even then.) He wasn't a virgin when he married Diane either.

That was a typo.

Let me be perfectly clear — Camilla Parker-Bowles nee Camilla Shand was deemed to be an unacceptable wife for Prince Charles, who wanted to marry her, due to the fact that she was not at that time a virgin.

112 posted on 02/27/2005 10:03:38 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: dennisw
"Seems she's an outdoorsy sort who likes fox hunts. She grew up in a rural area."

Appaerently, a half-dozen fox-hunts a day ;-)

Talk about brutal critiques, check this one out from one of the links you provided:

Charles, a boring, stodgy, middle-aged stuffed shirt, drew an innocent and vibrant 19-year-old into what appeared to be a fairy tale romance.

He used Diana only for breeding purposes, saving his love for his mistress, Camilla Parker-Bowles, a three-pack-a-day smoker who could eat apples through a picket fence. Once Diana produced an heir and a spare, Charles cast her off like the proverbial old sneaker.

Lol, oh man...

113 posted on 02/27/2005 10:05:29 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: quidnunc
Hmmm a bunch of monarchs that really are not monarchs at all..
Protecting a monarchy that is a vestige of a dictatorship that is kept around to remind slaves of a socialist government that serfdom was bad thing.. I don't get it..

Socialism is defacto slavery by government.. must take a Canadian to understand all this..
The logic escapes me..

114 posted on 02/27/2005 10:08:19 AM PST by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: dfwgator
i"Republic of England?"

Over my dead body.

If a second Civil War is in the offing, so be it.

115 posted on 02/27/2005 10:27:16 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: quidnunc

Camilla and Charles love chillun!


118 posted on 02/27/2005 11:49:01 AM PST by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: dennisw; Thinkin' Gal; aculeus
so I didn't notice her leathery hide

LOL. I'd never want to get into a verbal sparring match with you!

119 posted on 02/27/2005 11:59:00 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: dennisw; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton
...a queen with a fag in her mouth wouldn't be acceptable to the British people either.

Imagine that.

(Ooops, I take that back!)

120 posted on 02/27/2005 12:15:24 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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