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To: MikeinIraq
Great point. It's fun to play these little "What Washington would have done" games but that's all they are, games. Eliminate the airplane in today's world; George W. Bush's decisions about foreign policy would be RADICALLY different.

It's easy to hold a current politician to the standards of a simpler past, but it's not smart to expect a real person to live up to the expectations of daydreams.

3 posted on 02/26/2005 11:25:10 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Condi Rice: Yeaaahhh, baybee! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350654/posts)
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To: Darkwolf377

Most certainly and the same can be said of Washington should he be here today.....

but to compare current times and events to the past really can't hold much weight. Especially when going back that far.


6 posted on 02/26/2005 11:27:13 AM PST by MikefromOhio (The DUmmies: Showing us daily how screwed up people can really be!!!!)
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To: Darkwolf377
Since you were just agreeing with Mike, to whom I have just responded, probably no additional response is needed. However, I wonder if you even bothered to read General Washington's comments.

When you talk about the standards of a simpler past, you apparently choose to overlook the fact that the Washingtonian argument in the debate was a more complex one than was Mr. Bush's. Washington dealt with ageless truths of human nature, and the psychology involved when people play favorite nation games with our foreign policy. Your comment really makes me doubt that you even read what you are commenting on.

30 posted on 02/26/2005 12:24:36 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Darkwolf377
It's fun to play these little "What Washington would have done" games....

IMHO, Washington would have no problem with reaching out and "touching" those who posed a threat to his country. He had no problem with military activity along the frontier. If he had to kill people he would have. If he could change their policy through other means, he would have done that as well.

Washington was not vain enough to pretend to speak for what future generations should or should not do in specific situations other than to caution about "entangling alliances". The only such alliance I can think of today is the UN charter which entangles us with an organization that does not have our best interests at heart --- in fact, just the opposite.

Washington's Farewell Address is one of the most misused of our historical documents. It was produced at a time when THE MAJOR political issue in the US was agitation by the radical Jeffersonian party to ally with France and declare war on Great Britain. That would have been a disaster that would have likely ended the nation. Washington correctly warned against taking sides in that conflict since nothing but disaster could come from it for the United States. There was no upside. It was not in our interest.

He correctly understood that nations do not have friends, they only have interests, and in 1797, the interests of the US did not lay in war with England, just as France's interests (or perceived interests) today do not lie in war in the mid east. US interests in the Mideast lie in removing current threats to our nation AND in changing the status quo to preclude future more serious threats. France's interests, monetary and geopolitical, lie in maintaining the status quo. Removing various despots in that region would be removing many of Frence's biggest customers and long time business partners.

Washington's message today would likely be totally different than in 1797 --- albeit, he would still not think much of the French aside from Gen. Lafayette.

101 posted on 02/28/2005 2:58:18 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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