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President Cheney?
The Weekly Standard ^ | 03/07/05 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 02/26/2005 6:55:39 AM PST by Pokey78

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To: solo gringo
I say run Dick run see Dick run.


Like this do you mean?


81 posted on 02/26/2005 1:49:04 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: MindBender26
I am certain he will be glad to go home he never wanted to come back to Washington originally but now he is back he has said on more than one occasion that he has enjoyed every moment but he does not want the Presidency.

I also agree he has nothing to prove. I will also give you that I am certain during the campaign at certain times he was tired anyone would be. GWB was often tired as I am sure Kerry and Edwards were. The way you wrote your post it seemed to me you were suggesting as much as physically tired he was mentally tired and did not have the appetite for the fight anymore which I did not agree sorry I misinterpreted.

He has earned his retirement I hope he enjoys it, God Bless Him and his family.
82 posted on 02/26/2005 2:26:50 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: MindBender26
Seriously, he will be glad to go home.


He will after his work is done in 2009.

83 posted on 02/26/2005 2:29:06 PM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: schu
my point --which you did not respond to--was that political support of the electorate is fungible. Leaders get out in front of it and lead. They don't follow public opinion. Public opinion can be transformed by leaders.

Your 2d point--that US military could not sustain an offense against communism-- is just wrong. But you appear to want to think that so I am not going to argue it here.

84 posted on 02/26/2005 3:12:37 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: snugs; Jersey Republican Biker Chick
Go out and fish those streams Dick, spend some quality time with Lynn, play with the kids and grand kids.
 
I just re-read what I originally wrote and I'm getting the funniest mind picture of Dick and Mary Cheney, hunched over a ridiculously small table set up on a front porch somewhere, drinking imaginary tea out of thimble sized teacups.
Owl_Eagle

"You know, I'm going to start thanking
the woman who cleans the restroom in
the building I work in.  I'm going to start
thinking of her as a human being"

-Hillary Clinton
(Yes, she really said that
Peggy Noonan
The Case Against Hillary Clinton, pg 55)
 

85 posted on 02/26/2005 3:28:25 PM PST by End Times Sentinel (Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts. "Aww. not even a little?")
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To: ontos-on
Politicians can lead and make the case for an issue, but unless the people believe that it is a real issue, it just does not matter. Please provide your citations that says that the electorate wanted Truman to confront communism aggressively. Sorry, you may want it to exist, but it just did not, the people were tired of war.

With respect to the military ability, note that the US Army was pushed back to the Pusan perimeter at the beginning of the war and actually did not fight especially well. After regaining the initiative via the Inchon landing, they of course were pushed back to the 38th parallel by the Chinese where we stalemated. Perhaps we could have counter attacked and defeated the Chinese, MacArthur wanted to.

Reality is reality.
86 posted on 02/26/2005 3:35:13 PM PST by schu
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To: Brian Allen

"my entire generation lived its active productive life in the context of the Cold War"

you would have preferred a physical one?


87 posted on 02/26/2005 5:18:56 PM PST by SendShaqtoIraq (Reggie, we will always love you.)
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To: mattdono

Good point regarding being a follower. I don't know if it's legend or not, but I remember a story about someone who once asked the mother of George Washington how she taught him to be a leader. Supposedely she said, "I taught him to FOLLOW."


88 posted on 02/26/2005 5:40:20 PM PST by rudy45
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To: Pokey78
Cheney says he doesn't want it.
89 posted on 02/26/2005 5:59:22 PM PST by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: rudy45
I have heard that as well. Probably true...certainly wouldn't be surprising.

And on this topic, when I hire someone, I give them a handout that I have on followership and explain to them that this is what I expect out of my employees. It doesn't matter what position I am hiring them for. It is a culture that I'm trying to create in my business.

I don't want "yes men" (or women) when it comes to making the best products and services. At the same time, my employees need to "know their role". Disagreement is one thing, being disagreeable is entirely another thing. I'm all up for debating an idea. No problem, do it in respectful terms and, most importantly, have a solution (I don't want to hear people yammer on about the problem; most of the time the problem is self evident, it's usually a quality solution that's the trouble).

That said, the final decision (as the owner of the company) rests in my hands. It is my name on the shingle, not theirs. And when the final decision is made, my employees have 2 options: be part of that solution or not.

And, if they don't have anything nice to say, then they need to keep their trap shut...or, they can go find somewhere else to work. If the decision I make is a poor one (hey, it happens!), then that will become evident because the problem/issue that we were trying to solve will still be there. And, we will look for the solution again, only this time we will have simply learned one more way that didn't work.

Simly put, good ideas don't die, no matter how many times you try to kill them. They will keep bubbling up, going, "Look here, you shmuck! I'm the solution you are looking for!" Having employees that help you recognize the solutions is the key; followership is a critical component of the process.

And, most of my employees find that refreshing. They know what is expected of them and they know when the decision is made, it's over. And, besides, I really don't look get bothered if something doesn't work. If we deploy a new product/service and it flunks, it flunks. It sucks to have invested time and money on anything that is a dud, but sometimes that happens. You can't let that drag your purpose down.

In my company, I have clearly outlined Vision, Goals, and Strategies. These 3 elements are the critical elements for a business understanding their purpose. The other 2 key elements to a successful business --Tactics and Project-- often need work. But, if everyone knows the Vision, the Goals, and the Strategies, then their tactics while working on various projects nearly take care of themselves. They have a clear definition on where the ship is headed, so any individual decisions that they make can be made in that context.

It is also the reason that when the decision is made, my employees already have a very good idea about what it will be because they already know where we are trying to go.

...and how does that related to Dick Cheney and his situation?

Well, the President seems to have that precise attitude: a setback isn't a setback (no matter how hard the NY Times tries to make it). Why?

The President has a very clearly outlined Vision of what he's trying to accomplish. And, even though I have several key areas where I think his Vision is flawed (immigration and the Medi-care spending, to name two), it is pretty clearly defined.

His Goals for Iraq and the Middle East are well known, to the dismay of the kooks on the left and all the "haters" out there.

And, generally, he has outlined the Strategies by which he is trying to complete all this "stuff".

The tactics and projects will move around...as they should.

Projects are used to fulfill Tactics; tactics are part of a broader strategy; strategy is employed to accomplish 1 or more goals; and achieving goals is directly tied into move toward a grander vision.

And, for those who recognize this, this is pretty standard fare when you are getting an MBA. Besides understand what value really is, the thing that you learn when getting an MBA is these 5 levels of leadership. And, as has been noted, the President is the first president with an MBA.

So, the President might be a bumbling fool at times. So he isn't going to win the "Silver Tongue" award. He doesn't care about any of that because that has little (if anything) to do with accomplishing his Vision.

Anyway, didn't mean to ramble. But, I think that Dick Cheney's ambition (or, more precisely, lack thereof) is one of the critical pieces of the President being able to focus and pursue his Vision.

Good stuff.

90 posted on 02/26/2005 7:16:10 PM PST by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: Mad Mammoth
I was looking back over this thread today, I have to admit that I just do not get the disdain for HST, he was not perfect, but so what?

The attitude about fighting the commies is also very surprising to me. Anyone who has talked to folks who were around back then (my Dad was one) knows that there was little enthusiasm for confronting the commies, even less for fighting them, they just wanted to go home!

Was that the right thing? Maybe in hind sight we should have duked it out with Stalin right then in Germany, as the Patton movie portrays. IMHO, anyone who thinks that HST or anyone could have convinced the American people, much less the Europeans, to engage in total war against the 400 divisions of the Red Army is just not dealing in reality.
91 posted on 02/26/2005 7:46:41 PM PST by schu
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To: schu
Your thinking on this is frustratingly static. You take historic conditions and personalities and just insist those were the ones that had to be. Do you realize that you are trying to make a judgment on the ability--actual and even potential--of the entire US military in the 1946-1950 time frame--to thwart communism both chinese and russian when only we had nuclear weapons and we had just won a 2 front war with remarkably small casualties. Your Korean War instances have little relevance to this discussion.

You shrunk my point about leaders into a "politicians". Unless you expand the way you approach these problems, we will just be in an endless loop. OK?

92 posted on 02/26/2005 9:32:30 PM PST by ontos-on
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

<< you would have preferred a physical one? >>

That's a fraudulent question given that the correct 1945 choice would have ensured that neither a cold nor a physical war occurred.

That said, however, if confrontation of Stalin had involved the threat of military action and he had not backed down from the enslavement of Eastern Europe, then my answer has to be an unqualified: "YES!"

Better to have dealt with that manifestation of evil in 1945 than during the subsequent 44 years -- and millions of Gulag dead!


93 posted on 02/26/2005 11:25:56 PM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: Brian Allen

Unfortunately, now, as then, we are unable to do everything for everyone.


94 posted on 02/26/2005 11:43:17 PM PST by SendShaqtoIraq (Reggie, we will always love you.)
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To: blastdad51

I randomly picked on your post.

Cheney, Rice, whomever are bad choices for 2008. I am a strong W supporter. We need a new choices for 2008. I LOVE Jeb, I'd only vote for him as president in 2008 if Hitlery were the only other option. The RNC needs new blood for 08. I don't want a Bush/Clinton legacy to run our country from 1989 to 2016.

Besides, the thought of her as president is horrid.





95 posted on 02/26/2005 11:46:26 PM PST by Malsua
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

<< we are unable to do everything for everyone. >>

Sure.

That doin' "for" can be a bummer.

But just as long as we are able to continue to do what needs to be done TO the right amount of [Bad] folks, we'll be OK.


96 posted on 02/27/2005 12:00:28 AM PST by Brian Allen (I fly and can therefore be envious of no man -- Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I just re-read what I originally wrote and I'm getting the funniest mind picture of Dick and Mary Cheney, hunched over a ridiculously small table set up on a front porch somewhere, drinking imaginary tea out of thimble sized teacups


Oh my you got me laughing this morning.


97 posted on 02/27/2005 5:58:40 AM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: ken21
fat white men are in low demand for any political office today due to the hollywoodization of politics.

It is strange how so few conservatives understand this point.

You are 100% correct.

George Bush probably got 2% more vote than John Kerry because John Kerry was so downright ugly.

In 1992, George Herbert Walker Bush came to the presidential election with more credentials than any presidential candidate in history (CIA Director, Congressman, UN Ambassador, China Envoy, President, Vice-President, et al.) and lost to the lying Scumbag, Bill Clinton. Credentials and experience mean nothing to most voters.

George H.W. Bush's wife had white hair--Hillary was younger. Bill Clinton blew the saxophone on TV and was younger than George H.W. Bush. The voters Hollyweird mentality helped vote Clinton in and the old farts out in 1992.

There are hoardes of women voters who vote according to who looks yonger and is more sexy.

I happen to think the world of Cheney, so much that I believe he is more straight-up than Ronald Reagan. If Cheney says he served his naiton and it is time to go fishing, he means it. He does not do this for the money, for God's sake. He is a multi-millionaire. He does not serve for fame and legacy.

Cheney and Rumsfeld are unique among politicians. They are wealthy and do not serve for fame and cocktail parties. They serve the nation because they love the nation.

Like you said, Cheney would be defeated because he is old, has white hair and is not a Hollywood type. If Jesus Christ ran for president, but the opponent on the Democrat side was more handsome, younger looking and had a better looking spouse, and even if this opponient was a lying two-timing piece of Shi'ite, Jesus Christ would lose the election to the RAT.

American voters are too ignorant and too glazed over by Hollywood to vote for the best person for Commander in Chief. Conservatives need to be thankful that Laura Bush is more attractive than that skank John Kerry hangs around with, and need to be thankful that George Bush is more handsome than that ugly Herman Munster look-alike John Kerry. If not so, Kerry would be president today, Swift Boat Vets or no Swift Boat vets.

98 posted on 02/27/2005 6:34:38 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Irish Rose
President Bush could really liven things up by trying to cut the budget.

Even better, how about eliminating a few departments? Education would be a good place to start, since it has been proven that throwing federal money at it does nothing to improve it (though it does enrich some administrators).

99 posted on 02/27/2005 6:40:53 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

television i fear has changed american politics for the worse.

read a half dozen books on any subject and then mention your reading to a tv-addicted friend. their reactions will be: you made that up or i saw that on the discovery or history channel . then they will proceed to tell you that they know more about the subject than you.

that's how convincing television is to most people. it is "reality" to many americans.

you are correct. bush 41 was most experienced.

but tv viewers, especially women, were intrigued by the guilty confession of bill, and the "i'm a victim of a male" rap of hillary.

never forget that 60 minutes of don hewitt interceded with this interview in february of 1992 when no democrat front runner was yet apparent. the same people that brought us the dan rather photocopies.

finally, a russian jewish emigre to southern california bought a filling station near me and i bought gas there and talked politics with him. one day he blurted out:

"your television is controlled!"

i said, thanks for noticing! who else but a refugee from the soviet union would notice that our television is controlled?


100 posted on 02/27/2005 6:53:48 AM PST by ken21 ( warning: a blood bath when rehnquist, et al retire. >hang w dubya.< dems want 2 divide us.)
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