Posted on 02/24/2005 7:06:21 PM PST by wagglebee
An episode of the NBC sitcom "Committed,” featuring two characters who flush a Communion wafer down a toilet, has created a firestorm of protest among Catholics.
During the February 22 broadcast, two non-Catholics are mistakenly given Holy Communion at a Catholic funeral Mass. As recounted by the Catholic League:
"Nate, who is Jewish, and Bowie, a Protestant, don’t know what to do with the Eucharist, so they make several failed attempts to get rid of it. For example, they try slipping it into the pocket of a priest, dropping it on a tray of cheese and crackers, etc.
"At one point, the priest, who is portrayed as not knowing the difference between the Host and a cracker, goes to grab the 'cracker' from a tray of appetizers; he initially balks when he discovers that it is the last one. Then he changes his mind, saying, "Oh, what the hell.”
"By far the most offensive scene occurs when Nate and Bowie accidentally flush what they think is the Host down the toilet."
Catholic League President William Donahue is demanding that NBC apologize.
"To say that Catholics are angry about this show would be an understatement - the outrage is visceral and intense," he said Thursday.
"NBC has made a direct frontal assault on Roman Catholicism, choosing to mock, trivialize and ridicule the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ," Donahue added. "More than an apology is needed. This episode should be retired for good, and that is what we will demand.”
" Either you are in His Church or you cannot get to heaven."
So, if I'm reading this correctly, His Church is the Catholic church. Therefore, anyone not Catholic is going to hell.
Thanks. I think I've got it now.
There are 4 views of what happens at communion.
At one end, the Roman Catholic church believes that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
The Lutherans believe that the body and blood of Christ are in, around, and among the bread and wine.
Thus, both the Lutherans and the Catholics believe in a real, physical presence.
Calvinists believe in a real, but spiritual presence - the bread and wine remain bread and wine, but Christ is spiritually present in the elements.
At the other end of the spectrum from the Roman Catholics, the Anabaptists believe that the bread and wine are merely symbolic of Christ. They do not believe that there is a real presence in the elements.
Butter and salt. ; )
Your Savior said flatly that that was what he was: read John 6. How else are you going to interpret "my flesh is true food, my blood is true drink"?
You know, don't you, that Ignatius of Antioch, who knew some of the Apostles personally, on his way to his death in the arena at Rome in AD 110, wrote some of the Christian communities along the way telling them that those who denied that the Eucharist "is the flesh of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" were "heretics ... of whom we ought not even to speak"?
I'd think long and hard before I'd second-guess someone who offered himself up to be eaten by lions rather than deny Christ.
Translate, please.
First a question. Do you praise ignorance? Or do you think that a show that uses ignorance as a source of humor is wrong?
Now we have two conflicting accounts of whether the script actually called for a Host to be desecrated . . .
In that case, it may not have been violence offered to Our Lord . . . but it still qualifies as sacrilegious.
This is technically called the sin of bearing false witness.
"Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you cannot have life in you."
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I did that when I believed, was baptised to wash my sins away (and sorry a mere sprinkle didn't get it) and accepted him as my Savior.
Has your eye or hand ever offended you? Because if they have I would like to have one or the other Fed-Ex-ed to me so I can see you have plucked it out or cut it off.........hmmmm bet that won't happen.
Who in heart do you believe that you represent?
Point of order.
The Church has always taught that there are those who are Catholic and don't know it, or would be Catholic if they had the opportunity but can't, or if they were fully informed.
(It's not as though this hasn't been thought of before!)
So I'm supposed to read 200 decades of Church teachings via the link you provided to understand where you are coming from on this issue.
You know I'm not going to read all that.
It would be really helpful if you could just post simple summaries of what you believe regarding this debate, or communion. Seriously.
Do tell Jorge, what sect of self-described Christianity do you adhere to and what makes you so certain you are right in that adherence?
I am an x-atheist, x-evolutionist who was lead to Christ by Teen Challenge when I was 18 years old.
The change in my heart and my life was profound.
I have not been a perfect Christian, but when I comes to my belief in Christ and the Bible as the Holy Word of God, I have NEVER doubted or turned backed since.
That was 32 years ago.
Do you think I should doubt my conversion now?
That's incorrect.
If you've been baptized you're Catholic, whether you realize it, and whether you want to be or not.
Technically there is no such thing as a non-Catholic Christian. All there are are Catholics who have fallen away from the church, lapsed, or etc.
This is why if you've been baptized in another denomination and you convert to Catholicism you do not have to be re-baptized. Though you still have to partake in the other sacaraments (e.g. Confirmation).
Wow, Mr. Chick, how's tricks?
Here I thought I was having a reasonable discussion with a rational individual, and you come up with THAT screed. Don't know where you get your history, but that is a load of nonsense that could only have come out of one of your tracts.
Toddle on back to the cross burning and leave rational discussion for the adults, kay?
**"NBC has made a direct frontal assault on Roman Catholicism, choosing to mock, trivialize and ridicule the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ," Donahue added. "More than an apology is needed. This episode should be retired for good, and that is what we will demand.”**
I agree with Donohue all the way. Hopefully this will be pursued in the media.
How many times did Jesus speak of Himself as the Bread of Life?
Many more times than He spoke of ridding one's self of occasions of sin.
I'll pray that one day you can accept this teaching.
Ask "Chode" who was lecturing me on how confession doesn't "buy" me communion in the Catholic church.
Did you even read the post I was responding to?
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Just was alerted to this thread. Sorry for the late ping.
Say hi to Jack Chick at your next Klan meeting, will you?
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WHO is Jack Chick? and would your last name be Jesuit?
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