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To: Physicist
But time is a physical property of the universe and exists within it. The universe does not exist in time.

This is a very good point. Time being, in essence, a knowable dimension.

If there's geometrically no past, there can't be a prior cause.

I understand the conclusion of this statement, but I can't grasp the meaning of a "pior cause." Do you mean outside of time?

Will you please elaborate, thanks.

129 posted on 02/25/2005 5:25:10 AM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: sirchtruth
I understand the conclusion of this statement, but I can't grasp the meaning of a "pior cause." Do you mean outside of time?

No. I said that if time doesn't exist before the Big Bang, there can't be a prior cause. "Prior" means "at an earlier time", and "cause" means a specific event at a well-defined place and time. To have a prior cause, there has to be a time at which it occurred.

That's not to say that it's impossible to construct models in which the Big Bang happens in a larger context (i.e., in which the Big Bang can be said to have a cause). Chaotic inflation, for example, has a gigantic number of Big Bangs, each giving rise to many more. Each of those cosmoses can be said to have a cause. My point was that there is no mathematical or philosophical requirement that such an outside context exist, although it may.

134 posted on 02/25/2005 8:32:43 AM PST by Physicist
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