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How Free is Britain?
Social Affairs Unit ^ | Feb 22 05 | Anthony Daniels

Posted on 02/24/2005 12:32:34 AM PST by ijcr

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To: agere_contra

Then why do you need a license for a lawn sprinker? What special interest does that serve?


121 posted on 02/24/2005 7:30:51 AM PST by Traction
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To: A Jovial Cad

Im talking to a random word generator right?


122 posted on 02/24/2005 8:59:26 AM PST by Killing Time
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To: pau1f0rd

Perhaps you can be more specific. Each is in the dictionary, my dictionary anyway Webster's Seventh New Collegiate, 1971. I do not mean any of the terms in my statement 'colloquially'.


123 posted on 02/24/2005 11:25:34 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: A Jovial Cad; MadIvan
MadIvan nonsense & smarmy half-truths

What an ignorant statement.

MadIvan is well respected in this forum and his views about Britain are sought by many Freepers.

Do your homework next time before posting stupid comments.

124 posted on 02/24/2005 11:54:07 AM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

they're in the dictionary, sure, but not with the meaning that FReepers often attribute to them. At least not in any dictionary thet I've seen. What definitions does your Websters give?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=subject shows subject to be
"One who is under the rule of another or others, especially one who owes allegiance to a government or ruler. "

and citizen to be
"A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. "

whereas Freepers usually base their definitions around whether or not a person can own a gun for self defence or not. Before WWI Britons had liberal gun laws but definitely were subjects. These days we have harsh gun laws but are citizens. The 2 just aren't related, unless you wish to redefine the words, which is what has happened on FR. nothing wrong with it of course, but is still a slang meaning.


125 posted on 02/24/2005 11:55:17 AM PST by pau1f0rd (a British citizen)
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To: ijcr

Anthony Daniels? Didn't he play C-3PO? ;-)


126 posted on 02/24/2005 11:55:30 AM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Michael81Dus
But where does it end?

With the citizen's complete disregard and disrespect for the state and government employees. Then coup or rebellion.

127 posted on 02/24/2005 11:58:06 AM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: ijcr

Government is the problem, not the solution!


128 posted on 02/24/2005 12:00:30 PM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my spelling)
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To: oursouls
And worse still...we can be arrested for taking the life or property of another person!

I see you have yet to meet an abortionist or a lawyer.

129 posted on 02/24/2005 12:05:27 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: 1903A3
as long as you have the Second Amendment and the will to use it you will do fine

I also have another advantage, I am old, prepared, have nothing to lose, have no minor children. I WILL defend American freedom.

130 posted on 02/24/2005 12:15:03 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: MadIvan
you'd be better off asking a fencepost than Jovial Cad what he thinks

Well, he is from Oklahoma.

So what is this "TV Licensing Agency" the article refers to?
131 posted on 02/24/2005 12:41:22 PM PST by BJClinton (What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammy's? The Eagles have won a Grammy)
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To: BJClinton

The BBC is financed by a charge everyone who owns a television pays, called a TV License. I pay £120 a year for this.

Regards, Ivan


132 posted on 02/24/2005 12:44:10 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Ah, thanks. And you don't have to watch commercials, right?


133 posted on 02/24/2005 12:45:16 PM PST by BJClinton (What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammy's? The Eagles have won a Grammy)
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To: BJClinton

Well not on the BBC. But to be honest, I'd rather the BBC was privatised and sold to Rupert Murdoch. But I'm rather sadistic when it comes to what I think should happen to the BBC.

Regards, Ivan


134 posted on 02/24/2005 12:48:54 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: Abundy
A good thing about the TV license is that it enables one to watch TV without all the tiresome ads.

Each to his own....

135 posted on 02/24/2005 12:52:01 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: MadIvan

Ol' Rupert ain't that bad. Fox carries Family Guy and is the best football broadcaster...of course they also give us endless "Reality" shows. But it beats the 24/7 'two minutes of hate' from the BBC.


136 posted on 02/24/2005 1:14:29 PM PST by BJClinton (What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammy's? The Eagles have won a Grammy)
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To: BJClinton

I don't watch the BBC. So, in essence, I'm paying for channels I don't watch. You'll forgive me if I'm a little resentful of that fact.

Regards, Ivan


137 posted on 02/24/2005 1:15:57 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan
You'll forgive me if I'm a little resentful of that fact.

Nothing to forgive. PBS and NPR only get amay with their crap here because their sponsoring congresscritters have such a huge river of money to skim off of. I'd love to see some Dhimmicrat try to introduce a bill for $120 per household to pay for their propoganda machine.
138 posted on 02/24/2005 1:29:43 PM PST by BJClinton (What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammy's? The Eagles have won a Grammy)
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To: A Jovial Cad
Pretty good Lime fight..
You seem to be winning, so far.. LoL..
139 posted on 02/24/2005 1:33:07 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Abundy

I agree with a lot of your post. The US is more free in some and less free in others. The same goes for the UK.
Both are under fire from Governments that are overzealous in restricting our rights. I hate the idea of ID cards and "patriot act" style legislation.

I think the act that turned us from subjects to citizens was in the 80's and was the citizen act or the government act.

There has been a lot of hyperbole about people in the UK getting arrested for defending their homes. A lot of this is exagerated. I understand that less than 20 people have been found guilty of using excessive force in the last decade. I am relatively pro-gun but am not too sure that introducing US style laws would be possible in modern Britain.


140 posted on 02/24/2005 1:38:08 PM PST by kingsurfer
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