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To: dhuffman@awod.com

they're in the dictionary, sure, but not with the meaning that FReepers often attribute to them. At least not in any dictionary thet I've seen. What definitions does your Websters give?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=subject shows subject to be
"One who is under the rule of another or others, especially one who owes allegiance to a government or ruler. "

and citizen to be
"A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. "

whereas Freepers usually base their definitions around whether or not a person can own a gun for self defence or not. Before WWI Britons had liberal gun laws but definitely were subjects. These days we have harsh gun laws but are citizens. The 2 just aren't related, unless you wish to redefine the words, which is what has happened on FR. nothing wrong with it of course, but is still a slang meaning.


125 posted on 02/24/2005 11:55:17 AM PST by pau1f0rd (a British citizen)
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To: pau1f0rd

In my original post, to which you respond, I specified the dictionary W7NCD.

"subject: one that is placed under authority or control" Disarmed, you subjects have no means with which to resist the tyranny of the state.

"citizen: an inhabitant of a city or town; [i]esp[/i] one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman."

In each case the definition is the first, hence preferred, of the listed alternatives.

The state collects taxes at the point of a gun with our, your's and mine, permissions. I may die a freeman in a disagreeable confrontation with the state. You have no arms (goes beyond mere guns) with which to resist your state. Indeed, it'll likely be a recent immigrant at your doorstep begging, as agent of the state, to be killed.

See my tag line.


142 posted on 02/24/2005 1:57:37 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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