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U.S. Perplexed By Canada On Missile Defence
Toronto Star ^ | February 23, 2005 | Canadian Press

Posted on 02/23/2005 5:59:27 PM PST by srm913

U.S. perplexed by Canada on missile defence

FROM CANADIAN PRESS

Canada's apparent decision to stay out of a North American missile-defence system has dumbfounded Americans as an unnecessary giveaway of sovereignty, Washington's envoy to Ottawa said today.

"We don't get it," Paul Cellucci said in Toronto.

"If there's a missile incoming, and it's heading toward Canada, you are going to leave it up to the United States to determine what to do about that missile. We don't think that is in Canada's sovereign interest."

Despite strong pressure from the U.S. to sign on, Prime Minister Paul Martin was expected to pull the plug on Canada's participation in the missile program on Thursday.

However, reaction from American officials suggested the decision had already been made.

Regardless, said Cellucci, Washington would press ahead with its plans.

"We will deploy. We will protect North America," he said.

"We think Canada would want to be in the room deciding what to do about an incoming missile that might be heading toward Canada."

In Washington, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Canada had yet to inform the U.S. of its decision.

He refused to speculate on the effect a negative decision would have on relations between the two neighbours or whether it would cause a rift.

"We have a very solid basis of co-operation in many areas and we'll see how that sees us through," said Boucher.

A senior Canadian official who requested anonymity said today that Canada's decision was relayed at this week's NATO summit in Brussels attended by Bush and Martin.

But Canada's interest in Norad, the joint Canada-U.S. air defence command, remains paramount, said the official.

"The key for Canada is preserving the Norad relationship. It's such an important command that losing it would not be in Canada's best interests."

Boucher noted Canada and the U.S. amended an agreement last August to allow Norad to track any incoming rogue missiles.

Washington had hoped Canada would go further and participate in building the continental defence shield, an elaborate system that some worry could lead to weapons in space and an international arms race.

Cellucci compared the situation to one that occurred during the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the U.S. He noted that it was a Canadian general at Norad who scrambled military jets under orders from U.S. President George W. Bush to shoot down a hijacked commercial aircraft headed for Washington.

Had that plane been flying over Canada, it would have fallen to the prime minister to make the decision to shoot it down, Cellucci said.

That's why Americans were "perplexed" as to why Canadians would want to leave it up to the Americans to decide what action to take in the event a missile was aimed at Canada.

David Biette, director of the Canada Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars in Washington, agreed with Cellucci's assessment that Canada is giving up sovereignty.

"I fear that it risks marginalizing Canada and Canada is ceding sovereignty by not being there when the decisions are being made," said Biette.

"It's making people unhappy in this administration that Canada is happy to take a free ride."

However, Biette said he didn't think the issue would ultimately hurt Canada-U.S. relations.

Unpopular with most Canadians, the multibillion-dollar program to shoot down incoming missiles has been a political nightmare for Martin's minority government.

There's been intense pressure from Bush, who unexpectedly raised the issue during his visit to Canada last December and reportedly was blunt with Martin in a private meeting.

Some U.S. analysts were shaking their heads at the intrigue and confusion stirred this week by Frank McKenna, who takes over as ambassador to the United States next week.

McKenna told a Commons committee Tuesday that Canada is effectively already part of the missile-defence program, given Norad's increased responsibility.

"We're part of it now and the question is what more do we need?" he asked. "What does `sign on' mean?"

Behind closed doors today, Martin indicated Canada hadn't joined the missile program and suggested McKenna erred by saying otherwise.

"Did Frank express himself badly? Perhaps," is the way one Liberal described the prime minister's message at today's caucus meeting. Another Liberal confirmed the account.

Liberal MPs have also been sent speaking notes from party brass, urging them to get out and toe the government line on missile defence.

"Canada is obviously not participating in BMD," said a copy of Tuesday's Liberal Research Bureau message obtained by The Canadian Press.

"The government has not taken that decision yet and the ambassador never intended to leave the opposite impression."

U.S. defence analyst Dwight Mason said Canada's refusal to get more involved would be "unfortunate in a symbolic sense."

"It's the first time since 1938 that Canada would have refused to participate in continental defence. It's a turning point. But the impact would be much greater if Canada pulled back from where it is now."


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cellucci; missiledefense; norad; sdi
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To: srm913

54 40 or fight


41 posted on 02/23/2005 6:51:39 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: Heisenberg
Why Toronto instead of Detroit?

Got me ... probably because Detroit could take a nuke and it would be hard to tell?

42 posted on 02/23/2005 6:54:07 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: mad_as_he$$

hand


43 posted on 02/23/2005 7:15:43 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: fooman

Excellent!


44 posted on 02/23/2005 7:17:57 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: NCjim
... we should ignore it.

Um, let's not be so hasty. Being in the Northeast, can we at least check the weather/fallout patterns first?

45 posted on 02/23/2005 7:20:20 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: srm913

From another poster.

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46 posted on 02/23/2005 7:23:00 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: David1
We already have eyes in the sky over Canada. Forget the ground radar. We have not only satellite but we can see over the horizon for at least 500 miles. We are way more advaced than the general public is made aware of, although the information is out there, one just has to look for it in the right places and be able to read between the lines.
47 posted on 02/23/2005 7:26:30 PM PST by clearsight
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To: srm913
[ Canada's apparent decision to stay out of a North American missile-defence system has dumbfounded Americans as an unnecessary giveaway of sovereignty, Washington's envoy to Ottawa Paul Cellucci in Toronto said today(paraphrasing)

"Yeah, but can we televise the nuke as it hits Ottawa or some other city.. and sell advertiseing to nasty capitalist companys with the American beer commercials, of course.?. "

48 posted on 02/23/2005 9:00:29 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: srm913

Did Frank express himself badly? Perhaps


THis sounds kerryish.


49 posted on 02/23/2005 9:05:35 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: Heisenberg
Seems to me that the Canadians got this one. They know that most major Canadian cities lay within 125 miles of the US border. Given the proximity of those cities to US cities any incoming missle would have to be destroyed regardless of Canadian financial participation. They already have a treaty for detection of incoming threats. A detonation in amy major Canadian city would have major impact on adjacent US cities.

Canada has a recent history of opposing various weapons systems on their soil. Most notably, one can refer back to the Bomarc anti-aircraft missle and Prime Minister John Diefenbaker opposing the missles being armed with nuclear warheads. It cost Diefenbaker an election to Lester Pearson who did order the missles armed with nuclear warheads.

A comparison of Soviet targeting data from the cold war reveals that the only nuclear target in Canada was Ottawa. Sure to make Ottawans unhappy to be sure. But in the great scale of disaster that ain't bad.

The Soviets had different targeting scenarios/operating plans based on the threat/attack. I believe it's reasonable to posit that the Soviets had many targets in Canada, again based on the threat/attack and the objectives they hoped to achieve.

50 posted on 02/24/2005 6:32:03 AM PST by Fury
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