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A Tipping Point in the Middle East - Iraqi Elections
ABC News - Nightline - broadcast | Feb. 22, 2005 | Ted Koppel

Posted on 02/22/2005 9:19:52 PM PST by edwin hubble

"Feb. 22, 2005 — Malcolm Gladwell, author of "The Tipping Point," and Tom Friedman, New York Times columnist and author, join us tonight to discuss the direction of Iraq."

Recap: Ted Koppel moderated a discussion in which Tom Friedman (NYTimes) and Malcolm Gladwell assert:

1. We have reached an historic "tipping point" in the Middle East with the Iraqi elections. The insurgency is now seen as a small, disruptive Baathist minority in a nation that is quickly moving toward a functional national structure.

2. The positive atmosphere coming from Iraq has led the nearby Lebanese to assert a democratic national will in their determination to throw off the Syrian occupation. A similar halo effect is bringing some renewed hope for common ground in Gaza and the West Bank.


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I was surprised at the sincere optimism from Friedman (NYTimes) and Gladwell (British) about the unfolding events in Iraq. They see the election as a clear turning point with spreading beneficial effects in Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza.

On the other hand, I am not surprised that they didn't find it necessary to credit President Bush for any of it.

1 posted on 02/22/2005 9:19:52 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: edwin hubble

Well--this is at least a step in the right direction for ABC--guess we can't expect miracles though. Maybe in a few years, they will give some credit to the President.


2 posted on 02/22/2005 9:22:23 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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If they didn't credit President Bush, who did they credit? Richard Clarke? Nancy Pelosi? Providence?


3 posted on 02/22/2005 9:24:51 PM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: basil

Don't hold your breath. The MSM still doesn't give Ron credit for bringing Communism to its knees--instead, they whine that the CIA overestimated the strength of the Communist countries.


4 posted on 02/22/2005 9:25:38 PM PST by maro
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If they didn't credit President Bush, who did they credit? Richard Clarke? Nancy Pelosi? Providence?

Allah, of course.

5 posted on 02/22/2005 9:26:25 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: edwin hubble

"I am not surprised that they didn't find it necessary to credit President Bush for any of it."

Wait six months. If things continue to look good there, the Left will not only say it's a good thing, but take credit for it.


6 posted on 02/22/2005 9:27:36 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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"If they didn't credit President Bush, who did they credit? Richard Clarke? Nancy Pelosi? Providence?"

No. No one. Apparently, it was something that just sort of happened.

Seriously, Friedman is a smart guy. He did imply that the positive results were due to United States' efforts, just didn't mention Bush by name in the 30 minute discussion.


7 posted on 02/22/2005 9:28:36 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: edwin hubble

Let's see... we have troops (or some open military presence) in:

- Saudi Arabia
- Afghanistan
- Iraq
- Qatar
- Persian Gulf
- Pakistan
- Egypt
- Kuwait
- Yeoman
- Turkey
- did I miss any?

Not to mention the Israeli army, which is generally considered an ally.

In other words, we've got more troops in the Middle East now than we every had in Europe during the Cold War?

Damn straight Syria and Iraq are starting to get nervous, and Libya suddenly got religion! If the terrorists of the region want a fight with Americans then they don't have far to go.


8 posted on 02/22/2005 9:29:49 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: edwin hubble

It's Bush's fault


9 posted on 02/22/2005 9:31:09 PM PST by MJY1288 (In The War On Terror; Belgium Contributes GWB Piss Mats, We've Liberated 50 Million so far)
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"Don't hold your breath. The MSM still doesn't give Ron credit for bringing Communism to its knees--instead, they whine that the CIA overestimated the strength of the Communist countries."


Actually, this discussion tonight was the most positive reflection on US foreign policy or international events that I have seen in the Mainstream Media in a long time.


10 posted on 02/22/2005 9:32:01 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: edwin hubble

You are right. I almost tipped over when I heard Friedman's ponts. Makes things sound so much better. No wonder he was dressed in black.


11 posted on 02/22/2005 9:35:12 PM PST by ProudVet77 (It's boogitty boogitty boogitty time!)
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To: MJY1288

I second that! :)


12 posted on 02/22/2005 9:35:39 PM PST by Chgogal
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Who else should get the credit but Bill Clinton for instituting the policy of "Regime Change" back in 1998?

I'm still confused over the Left's support of it then, denunciation of acting on it 5 years later, and almost applauding the results of it now.

13 posted on 02/22/2005 9:35:51 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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"Damn straight Syria and Iraq are starting to get nervous..."

Yes, but the theme of the discussion was really the power that comes from a collective will - the voters who risked their lives in Iraq.

And the protesters in Lebanon, in the presence of the Syrian troops.


14 posted on 02/22/2005 9:36:42 PM PST by edwin hubble
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"A Tipping Point in the Middle East - Iraqi Elections"

Hey Lefties: how does it feel to LOSE?
They told us Bush lied about WMDs....he was reelected with 63 million votes.

They told us Iraq was a quagmire, the citizens recently took part in a historic vote. Afghanistan was a success as well.



15 posted on 02/22/2005 9:38:10 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (PROPHETIC list of Communist goals SPREAD THE WORD!: http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm)
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No. No one. Apparently, it was something that just sort of happened.

Seriously, Friedman is a smart guy. He did imply that the positive results were due to United States' efforts, just didn't mention Bush by name in the 30 minute discussion.



Is Friedman contractually prohibited by the NY Times from mentioning Bush in a complimentary way?



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16 posted on 02/22/2005 9:39:09 PM PST by Zivasmate (" A wise man's heart inclines him to his right, but a fool's heart to his left." - Ecclesiastes 10)
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To: Chgogal
History is repeating itself...

Old Europe hated Reagan much like they do GWB today, once again they will be proven wrong.

GWB is holding all the cards and he knows it :-), They will find out soon enough :-)

17 posted on 02/22/2005 9:40:09 PM PST by MJY1288 (In The War On Terror; Belgium Contributes GWB Piss Mats, We've Liberated 50 Million so far)
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To: DTogo

"I'm still confused over the Left's support of it then, denunciation of acting on it 5 years later, and almost applauding the results of it now."


Well, most of the MSM have little sense of historical context (meaning a timeframe longer than 6 months).

Friedman was always strongly against Saddam, and tonight he seemed almost jubilant (thought still cautious) about the course of events.


18 posted on 02/22/2005 9:42:47 PM PST by edwin hubble
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I am not surprised that they didn't find it necessary to credit President Bush for any of it.
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They are such a bunch of child-level, sore losers...


19 posted on 02/22/2005 9:44:11 PM PST by EagleUSA
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And I will be buying popcorn and enjoying our front row seat here at FR. :)


20 posted on 02/22/2005 9:46:59 PM PST by Chgogal
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