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Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.
In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.
The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.
In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.
"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.
In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.
"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.
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Name one ?
Celebrate Lent? Is it all a party with you guys? Everything's a "celebration" in New Church. Trads "observe" Lent and mortify themselves, prepare themselves to be united to Christ on the Cross. Stations of the Cross, Fast and abstinence etc.
No mention of the growth in the Catholic Church, especially in 3rd world countries.
Growth of what? The same errors that plague the Church in the post conciliar period?
He's pope in a world awash with with the philosophies of self-affirmation, self-assertion and independence.
As the Catholic Church goes: So goes the world.
It's a world whose leaders balk at allowing themselves to be photographed in physically compromised situations, looking weak, vulnerable and dependent on others.
He is heroic as he combats his pains. That can be worked towards his redemption. I firmly believe that God removed his prodigious vitality and physical powers that he had early in his papacy in order to teach him that the "showbiz" won't work. I also firmly believe that God in his truest mercy is keeping the man alive until he actually does what God wants him to. I'm sure JPII has wished to be taken at any number of times. I think God is saying, "Not yet. Do what you know deep down to be right, renounce the stubborness of your errors. Use the power I've given you and then you'll be ready to come home to me."
Despite the secularism that has gripped the Western world, we are under his watch, as pontiff.
Yep. And the traditionalists are encouraging him to stand up against it. Instead of praising the "inculturation" of a pagan world. We want him to clearly articulate that the Catholic Church is the ONLY thing that beats back the darkness.
He signed the Catechism that has given our faith such clarity
The CCC is a scam. It has destroyed the clarity of the faith as expressed in the Catechism of Trent.
His teachings have stood as signs of contradiction in the world.
His teachings are actually his "reflections" as he calls them. They are not signs of contradiction, they are contradictory.
He has himself been the central attraction at events like the World Youth Day, and the Jubilee festivals that sparked so man initiatives throughout the Church.
All trash. Experiments and disrespect for sacred things. Our Lord's body strewn across the ground, burned in heaps, distributed in cardboard boxes etc.
We learned how to be Catholics from this master and his words.
As a non-traditionalist friend told me: "For a man who can speak so many languages, I'm amazed that he can't really say anything." This is idolatry. How ever did the Church teach anybody before 1978? C'mon, this Church is in a state of desolation. And this Pope has sewn confusion with his "Hell is a state and not a "place" comments. They are tailor made to confuse and shake people's faith as public statements.
Last week, from his hospital bed, the Holy Father said: "One must have confidence in life!"
Just what does that mean? How about confidence in Christ? But maybe the name that no one can go to Heaven without, the name that every knee in Heaven, Hell and Earth shall bend to is too "divisive" for his humanist message.
Granted there are aspects of the Church with which you may disagree.
Not just us. The great Popes of this century and prior.
You are not the pope, nor do you shoulder the burden that he has assumed, until death.
This is another form of poisoning the well. I suppose I can't speak out against Abortion because I'm not a woman? I can't engage in politics because I'm not the President? Sorry, it doesn't fly.
By doing what Popes are supposed to do, his yoke will be easy and his burden light.
Maybe if he had the perspective of St. Pius X he would know this; "My hope is in Christ, who strengthens the weakest by His Divine help. I CAN DO ALL IN HIM WHO STRENGTHENS ME. HIS POWER IS INFINITE, AND IF I LEAN ON HIM, IT WILL BE MINE. His Wisdom is infinite, and if I look to Him for counsel, I shall not be deceived. His Goodness is infinite, AND IF MY TRUST IS STAYED IN HIM, I SHALL NOT BE ABANDONED.
Sorry, but when I've got that to comfort me and you show us, "One must have confidence in life!" Forgive me, if I fail to be impressed or moved but rather saddened at the state of degradation in papal teaching.
Please take your misplaced screed somewhere else. It doesn't belong on a thread where the pontiff has upheld Church teaching with regard to Homosexual Marriage.
It belongs right here. A bunch of Rah Rahs! on an absolute "no-brainer" is astonishing. Neos have been so mongrelized that the slightest scrap of right thinking from this Pope is treated like manna from Heaven. It's appreciated by trads but we DEMAND more! We DEMAND he speak JESUS CHRIST and the Roman Catholic Church as the ONLY way to salvation. Nothing else! No compromises! No half-truths about false religions! No more Apologies that are always misunderstood and condemn the dead who have no defense against his attacks.
.....this from one who bashes Papal ceremonial & the trappings of office......which is condemned by an anathema via the Council of Trent.
That's FUNNY !!!!
And this all happened in the last 25 years?
There has been a loss of faith on a massive scale--statistically measurable and observable--and a corresponding collapse of catechesis. He himself has called the breakdown of Catholic faith a "silent apostasy"--yet he does nothing to reverse the trends. Church attendance has continued to plummet.
Depends on where you look. Young people are coming back to the church in droves.
Vocations have continued to spiral downward. The missions have imploded.
A gain, it depends on where yo look. We are getting loads of African priests to do what the Irish did years ago.
The seminaries have been increasingly lavenderized. The highest echelons of the Church seethe with apostasy and corruption. Cronyism is rampant. Yet despite all this, and for 25 years, the Pope has instituted not a single reform of any consequence. Nor need I even mention the heterodoxy on his part that has underscored all this--the scandalous indifferentism and syncretism that has punctuated his long pontificate.
THere has certianly been change. Me thinks you are one who looks at a glass half empty.
Spinelessness about what ? Sounds like you have bought into a lot of the femi-nazi, gay propaganda that has been spread for the last 35 years. Sad of you to buy into such nonsense.
Not sure what you are quoting here.......but Sr. Lucia was under a Vatican imposed order of silence with reference to Fatima & her locutions. Unless you know that is from some manner of officially sactioned interview, I would view it with suspiscion - regardless of its (good) content.
well, as I continue to read your posts, I realize no one is as intellignet as you. I am sorry I even tried to respond to your posts.
That's a bit over the top. I believe what he did was compare abortion to the holocaust, not the other way around. The point is, both involved mass extermination of innocents. Both are evil. The sin is the same.
Sheesh! Why has there always got to be some idiot whining about something all the time.
You mean it's wrong to be glad that the trappings that are no longer used are no longer used?
It was an interview she did with Carlos Evaristo. I have to go to bed now, I am getting tired.
Get to the point, what is it you are trying to say ? I have never studied the Catholic church. Until someone finds a better way to build a civil society, trying to kill the church for selfish reasons is insanity.
"Oh please, go away!"
No.
"And this all happened in the last 25 years?"
The last forty-plus. JPII merely accelerated the process of dissolution.
"Young people are coming back to the church in droves"
HUH??????? What fantasy land are you dwelling in?
A peek in the door of the average NO Catholic church in the US will show a congregation made up of at least 40% senior citizens......in many cases a mugh higher percentage.
Most kids do not go to church (unless thier parents bring them - forcibly) after they are in high school.
":THere has certianly been change."
Oh yes.......a clergy whose numbers are homosexual in the majority, increasingly empty pews, diocesan seminaries closing for lack of interest (due to the first item), schools which are Catholic in name only - in which the faith is most assuradely not taught, male & female religious either leaving or becoming pagans, bare - ruined sanctuaries.........
The church is a headless thing - out of control, and imploding upon itself.
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