Posted on 02/22/2005 11:29:33 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
Per foxnews alert!
It would be nice if someone would tell Floridians what was going on. THE QUOTE BY DANIEL WEBSTER made me sick. "The Court has come up with much better solutions than we have so far." Daniel Webster who we thought was for justice. By the way DANIEL WEBSTER'S PHONE LINE IS SWAMPED. I called to complain about his HORRID QUOTE. Did the death lobby wear him down???
2/25/1990
Terri's Injury
2/25/1990
X-Ray Report Dr. Hameroff
Images taken of cervical spine, no acute bony pathology - straightening of normal cervical lordosis
2/25/1990
Neuro Consult Dr. DeSousa
Deeply comatose. No evidence of acute process in CT scan.
* Evidence of myoclonic seizures.
** Rule out acute myocardiac infarction, seizures as cause.
** Neck is somewhat stiff as is all of the muscles of the body. No jugular venous distension.
*WBC 26,300, drug screen negative
2/25/1990
CT Scan Report Dr. Hameroff
Normal
2/26/1990
EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Abnormal EEG indicative of generalized suppression and slowing
2/27/1990
DeSousa Report
Brainstem Auditory Evoked Response shows no significant disruption of the brain stem acoustic pathway - study within normal limits
2/27/1990
CT Scan Report Dr. Greenberg
Normal CT Scan
2/28/1990
EEG Report Dr. DeSousa
Generalized diffuse slowing. Some fast frequency rhythms which were not obvious during previous recording. May have been slight improvement over last EEG.
(To See the Rest of the Medical Observations by doctors and staff)
http://www.theempirejournal.com/02230551_medical_observations_sh.htm
P.S. Heisenberg - A judge reviewed the accusations and evidence and ruled that Dr. Hammesfahr was not guilty of quackery - Medicare approved of his methods (they must have done some reviewing of his claims in order to allow him to work with them) - the State of Florida has still not closed him down - They must have reviewed him and allowed him to Continue practicing medicine!
Some people - in spite of evidence - will continue on their opinion -
In That instance - I agree with Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do) !
http://bbs.crystalcathedral.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001904.html
Please join this forum and help save Terri! Thanks, FV
Fox TV says stay on removing feeding tube extended to 3-18.
Forgive me if anyone has already said this, but I am guessing that Judge Greer is beginning to get leery of being tagged with the "murderer-of-Terry" reputation. It might be quite unpleasent for the rest of his career. This has gotten too big for him to let her be killed, cover up the whole thing, and walk away clean.
A MUST READ !!!
Voice for Terri
Pro-Life Leaders Working Together to Save Terri Schiavo
Please Help Us Rescue Terri Schiavo From a Horrible Death by Starvation!
February 21st, 2005
The moment her feeding tube is removed, Terri Schiavo will begin a long, slow, painful death by starvation and dehydration.
WE NEED YOUR HELP NOW to rescue Terri from her cruel executioners. Theyve already tried to kill her once before, and she fought to stay alive.
But this may be the last chance Terri gets.
Will you help save her life?
A Special Appeal from Pro-Life Leaders Working Together to Save Terri Schiavo
Fr. Frank Pavone * Rev. Patrick Mahoney * Rev. Rob Schenck
Joe Scheidler * Troy Newman * Brandi Swindell * Mike McMonagle
Dear Friend,
Medical experts all agree that death by starvation and dehydration is perhaps the most painful, the most tortuous, and the most agonizing way to die.
Lets face it: The human body must have water and nutrition! Just try going for one day without ANY food or liquidsand see how you feel. You wont like it!
But in the case of Terri Schiavothe disabled woman in Florida whose husband wants her gastro feeding tube removed so that shell die by starvation and dehydrationa nationwide controversy has erupted over the right to kill someone who cant defend herself
cant feed herself
and cant speak for herself.
No doubt youve heard of Terris case. But unfortunately, you probably havent been told the whole story.
So if youll take the next few minutes to read the facts of this case, we think youll agree that putting Terri to death by starvation and dehydration would be the most cruel thing her husband could possibly do. And for the courts, the doctors, and our society to allow itand participate in itwould be a crime against the sanctity of human life
and put every disabled persons life in danger.
Lies, Myths, and Misconceptions
About Terri
Be a voice for Terri SchiavoIf youve heard about Terri only through the news media, youve probably been led to believe that Terri is in a coma
that shes brain dead
that shes a vegetable
that shes on extraordinary life support
or that she wants to die but her parents stubbornly wont let it happen.
Let me state categorically that nothing could be further from the truth!
Terri is NOT brain dead. She is NOT in a coma. She is NOT in a persistent vegetative state. And she is not on ANY life-support system.
She merely receives food and liquid through a gastro feeding tube because her brain injury prevents her from being able to swallow. In other words, Terri depends on food and water to stay alivejust like you and me!
Yes, her brain injury left her disabled. But there are tens of thousands of disabled people who depend on gastro feeding tubes every day, and they live otherwise normal lives.
Terri can breathe for herself. She is not on a ventilator. Her vital organs are working fine, which means she is not hooked up to a machine. Furthermore, she is not dying or being kept alive by artificial means. She does not have a terminal disease, and she will be able to feel pain if she is starved to death.
And that could start to happen in the next few days.
If her husband, Michael Schiavo, finally gets his way, he will force the medical staff at the hospice to remove Terris feeding tube so that she dies a horrible, painful death.
Why Does Michael Want Terri To Die?
Its hard to say. When Terri suffered her brain injury in 1990 (which, by the way, occurred under very suspicious circumstances involving possible physical violence), Michael filed a malpractice lawsuit and was awarded $1.2 million in damagesblaming Terris condition on something the hospital staff did wrong when they were treating her.
In the malpractice trial, Michael told the jury that he dearly loved his wife and wanted to take care of her for the rest of his life. The $1.2 million was awarded specifically so that he could afford to give her the therapy and rehabilitation she required.
But then, soon after the money came in, Michael did an about-face and immediately terminated all of Terris therapy and rehab. And in 1998, he suddenly remembered that she once told him that she wouldnt want to be kept alive artificially. So for the last 7 years, he has sought to get her gastro tube removed so that she would die by starvation and dehydration.
But being fed by a gastro tube does not qualify as being kept alive artificially! If you asked all the people who depend on their gastro tube if they would prefer to die because theyre being fed by a gastro tube, they would respond with a resounding NO!
But due to her brain injury, Terri cant speak for herself. She has difficulty communicating. So she really cant say if Michael is telling the truth or notand whether or not she wants to die.
But we believe Terri does not want to die.
When her parents visit her, Terri laughs
she cries
she moves
and she makes child-like attempts at speech with her mother and father. Sometimes she will say Mom or Dad or yeah when they ask her a question. And when they kiss her hello or goodbye, she looks at them and puckers up her lips.
Shes able to sit in a chair
she loves to listen to her favorite music
and she recognizes her brother and sister when they come to visit.
She is definitely not in a persistent vegetative state (PVS). In fact, four board-certified neurologists
two board-certified internists
numerous other doctors
two speech pathologists
and a neuro-psychologist all say that Terri is not in PVS. Several of her nurses came forward to say this, too.
Other experts long ago confirmed that Terri could achieve significant recovery and lead a long, happy life if she were given proper rehab.
But Michael refused to allow proper rehab.
He also put a Do Not Resuscitate order on Terris chart. He tried to prevent the nurses from treating Terris infectionsexpecting her to develop sepsis and die. He did not allow her to be given speech or swallow therapy. He did not allow her to be given a system for communicating. He wouldnt even let the nurses in the hospice put a rolled-up washcloth in her hand so that her fingers wouldnt curl in!
Michael Schiavo hears prolife pleas for Terri's life outside his home.And get this: Soon after the malpractice money came in, Michael had Terris cats put to death
he stopped all her antibiotics
and he melted down her wedding ring for cash!
Whats more, he wouldnt let her receive visits from the cute little doggies that they take through the hospices to cheer up the patients. He put her in a tiny windowless room by herself, and shes not allowed to have any contact with other patients. She cant go outside and see the sun. Plus, he turns family photos toward the wall so she cant see them!
As anyone can see, Michael wants Terri to die not get better.
In fact, even though he and Terri are still technically married, hes been living with another woman. In fact, he has already fathered two children with her.
Even Larry Kingwhen he interviewed Bob and Mary Schindler several months ago (September 27, 2004)couldnt figure out why Michael insists that Terri must die
especially when the Schindlers have begged him to let them take care of her for the rest of her life.
Michael has repeatedly told the Schindlers, This is my wife. I will make the decisions, and you have nothing to say about it!
But WHY?!?
Suspicions grew when the Schindlers found out about a bone scan that Terri underwent back in 1991. The doctors conducted this scan because Terri would cry out in pain during the little bit of therapy she had early on, and it turned up many shocking facts.
For instance, the physician who conducted the bone scan, Dr. W. Campbell Walker, wrote in his report, This patient has a history of trauma. He listed apparent injuries (mostly fractures) to Terris ribs, her lumbar vertebrae, her sacroiliac joints (which are near the hip), both her ankles, and both her knees.
Famed New York forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden who was contacted by the news media, not the Schindlers looked at this report last year and concluded, It shows evidence that there are bone fractures that are in a healing stage
The trauma could be from some kind of beating that she obtained from somebody somewhere. Its something that should have been investigated in 1991.
But of course, Michael Schiavo never allowed the Schindlers to see the bone scan report. And when they sought to have it investigated after they found out about it three years ago, the courts refused to permit it.
All of this might lead you to ask
How Could Someone Do All This
To Another Human Being?!?
We dont know. We honestly dont know.
If you tried to starve your dog to death, youd feel the full force of the law and the wrath of every decent person in society.
But these days, if you want to get rid of someone because theyre inconvenient, you can do it legally. Euthanasia and abortion, you see, are two sides of the same evil coin. In order for society to justify killing an innocent person, we must first view them as being sub-human.
Unborn babies, for instance, are not persons in the eyes of the law, ever since Roe v. Wade. Therefore, if you dont want the baby, you can kill it.
And thanks to the euthanasia movement, disabled patients such as Terri are deemed unfit to live and given death with dignity.
But all the compassionate rhetoric in the world cant disguise one simple fact: Deliberately ending the life of an innocent human being who could easily live with ordinary care is murder, plain and simple.
Terri is a Catholic and the Catechism of the Catholic Church defines euthanasia as, An action or an omission which, of itself or by intention, causes the death of handicapped, sick, or dying persons sometimes with an attempt to justify the act as a means of eliminating suffering.
The Catechism states that euthanasia violates the fifth commandment of the law of God.
The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded, it adds.
Many Americans dont realize that Terri is NOT being kept alive against her will.
She is NOT being kept alive by extraordinary means.
And she is NOT in a persistent vegetative state.
Shes simply disabled, and needs proper care just like any other severely disabled person.
Thats why fourteen disability-rights organizations have filed friend-of-the court briefs to keep Terri alive. They know what this case means for other disabled persons.
Board-certified neurologist Dr. Jacob Green of Jacksonville, Florida, who examined Terri, said unequivocally: She is not in a vegetative state. When asked if it would be ethical to remove her feeding tube, he said, Id call it murder. Theyre taking away any chance.
WHY?
As you can undoubtedly see, this case really isnt about the so-called right-to-die, as the news media calls it. Its about Michael Schiavo attempting to kill his wifeand collect a lot of money that was supposed to go toward her therapy and rehabilitation. (The love of money is the root of all evil. 1 Tim. 6:10)
The fight goes onAs far as the Schindler family is concerned, theyre fighting for Terris life because they love her very much. They dont want her to be put to death. They dont want her to suffer at the cruel hands of Michael Schiavo any longer. They want to help her get the rehabilitation and therapy she needs so badly. They want her to be happy and cared for by the people who love her.
Michael, on the other hand, wants her dead.
So does the ACLU, the Hemlock Society, and many other pro-death groups. They realize that if they lose this case, it will set the euthanasia movement back decades.
Pro-lifers and Christians of all kinds from all over the country and around the world are coming to Terris defense because, first of all, they cant bear the thought of an innocent woman being murdered by the most painful death of all: starvation and dehydration.
And secondly, this fight is about whether or not we will allow the culture of death to completely take over our nation. If we lose this case, the floodgates will be wide open.
Its also about keeping morality in medicine. Because doctors are supposed to heal, not kill.
Its about teaching our children to have respect for life at all stagesfrom conception to natural death.
And its about whether or not our country will follow Gods lawsor be drenched in blood-guilt from all the innocent people we permit to be murdered with our full knowledge and consent.
A society is judged by how it treats its weakest members. The future of our society is at stake here. Will we, as the human family, have the readiness to care
or the willingness to kill?
No one has the right to make a judgment as to whose quality of life is better than another persons. Theres no such thing as a worthless life.
What Must We Do?
And How Can YOU Help?
The Schindler family and dozens of pro-life attorneys from around the country have tried everything they could to keep Michael Schiavo, the courts, and the euthanasia fanatics from killing Terri.
But right now, time is running out for Terri. Her feeding tube could be removed THIS WEEK!!!
If it is, she will begin a long, slow, painful process of death by starvation and dehydration.
In fact, not long ago, Nurse Cheryl Fordwho took care of Terri at Woodside Hospice in Tampa, Floridafound an Exit Protocol in Terris file.
This Exit Protocol is a recipe for how to kill someone by starvation and dehydration, and then manage their symptoms while they slowly die.
* For instance, the nurses will put lip balm on Terri because her lips will crack, peel, and bleed from the dehydration.
* Theyll use body lotion because Terris skin will begin to break down and show signs of flaking, drying, cracking, or being parched.
* Theyll put a scopolamine patch behind her ear to enhance the drying up of saliva and other secretions.
* Chux pads will need to be usedand changed quite often because of incontinence of Terris bowels and bladder.
* When Terri begins to writhe in pain (multifocal myoclonus) and she becomes agitated from metabolic changes and electrolyte imbalances due to no fluids or nutrition, the attending staff will have to give her 5 to 10 mg of Valium (diazepam)rectallyevery 4 hours.
* If Terri experiences a Grand Mal seizure, theyll give her 15 mg of Valium immediately, and then as needed thereafter.
* When her body shows signs of an inability to breathe by gasping for air (dyspnea), they will immediately give Terri 2 to 4 mg of morphine every 4 hours.
* And all of this will go on for 7 to 10 days
Until Terris DEAD!
Radio talk show host Barbara Simpson had these timely insights
If this comes to pass, the court, the lawyers, the American Civil Liberties Union and Michael Schiavo will be responsible for Terris death
and also the deaths of others with cognitive disabilities who will be killed the same way once their families and lawyers use this case as precedent.
Every living person, able or not, should be afraid. Very afraid. Were all in danger from this immoral and illegal action, which makes it easier for someone to decide who lives or dies, when, and under what conditions.
Terri Schiavo livesday to day. She has survived a mysterious injury, 14 years of medical neglect and mistreatment, the actions of her husband, and the backhand of the courts. On that basis alone, she deserves to live.
God help her. And help us too, if we allow her murder to take place.
Terri Will Be Killed
If We Dont Do Everything We Can!
Because virtually every legal effort to save Terris life has been slapped down by the courtsincluding the United States Supreme Court!Terris feeding tube is scheduled to be removed as early as February 23rd
just two days from now!
The last time Terris feeding tube was removedin October of 2003she was forced to suffer without ANY food or water for 6-1/2 DAYS!!! It takes as little as 10 to 14 agonizing days to die of starvation and dehydration. But thanks be to God, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush stepped in and rescued Terri in the nick of time.
We hope he can do that againbut it will require a miracle.
And This Is Where YOU Come In
The attorneys who are fighting for Terris life have a few more possible ways to prevent Terris murder. But these are last-ditch efforts that may or may not work. The courts are decidedly on Michaels sidenot Terris.
So that means we all have to come to Terris aidespecially through the amazing power of prayer and sacrificebut also by sharing this story with everybody you know
by helping us get the truth to the news media and the American people
and by encouraging Governor Jeb Bush to do everything he can to rescue Terri once again.
Right now, we, the signers of this appeal, are in Florida fighting for Terris life on several different fronts: Were meeting with key legislators and helping to get a new law passed that would save Terris life. Were holding massive rallies and prayer vigils at the courthouse, the State Capitol, and the hospice where Terri lives. Were even demonstrating outside Michael Schiavos homeurging him to let Terri live. Were also networking with churches all over Florida and giving talks to educate the public.
The problem is, we dont have enough money to keep this major campaign going. We all came down here with just the money in our pocketstaking a giant leap of faith that good people like you would come through for us so we could stay here as long as needed to save Terri.
We currently need $20,000 to keep going. So were hoping youll be able to help us out by making a secure, online donation of $35 or more today. That money will go directly to this projectwhich means youll be playing a vital role in the fight to save Terris life.
We believe theres an excellent chance that, by putting enough pressure on the courts, the legislature, and Michael Schiavo, we CAN save Terris life.
But its going to take a determined, concerted effort on everyones part.
In fact, here are all the things were asking you to do
1.) First, we want you to PRAY for Terriharder than ever before! Not enough people are praying for Terri right now. And she needs our prayers now more than ever!
2.) Second, we want to ask you to FAST along with Terri if and when her feeding tube gets removedand then offer up your sacrifices for her. If you can physically handle it, avoid taking any food or liquids for one whole day. By doing this, youll experience firsthand the unspeakable cruelty and pain that Terri will be suffering when they remove her feeding tube. Then offer that up for her sake.
3.) Third, please ENCOURAGE Governor Bush to do everything he can to rescue Terri. Since time is of the essence, we recommend that you send him an e-mail by clicking this link: jeb.bush@myflorida.com Or, if you prefer, you can call his office at the Florida State Capitol at 850-488-4441.
4.) Fourth, if you can, DEMONSTRATE with us in front of Terris hospice in Pinellas, Florida. We need thousands upon thousands of good people to be there as a witness against this blatant murder of an innocent woman. We will demonstrate night and day, as well as start a hunger strike (for those who are able). So if you live in or near Florida, or you can make the trip from anywhere in the United States, please do. We need you.
5.) Fifth, please GIVE a donation of $35 or more to help cover the costs of defending Terri in her most pressing hour of need. We are calling this project Voice for Terribecause Terri cant speak for herself. So we will be there to speak for her. And the more help we receive from good people like you from all around the country, the louder and stronger Terris Voice will be. Please make a secure online donation by clicking this link: DONATE HERE
(We had so little time to set this up, the tax-deducible donation will go through ORW)
6.) And finally, please FORWARD this e-mail to everyone on your e-mail list. The more people who know the true story about Terri Schiavo and how she is in imminent danger of being murdered, the greater our chances of achieving a victory in this life-or-death struggle between good and evil.
Its hard to believe, but there are many hard-hearted people out there who believe that, due to Terris condition, she is better off dead. Words cannot describe the pain and anger such sentiments cause Terris family.
This is their daughter, their little girl. And even in her disabled condition, she still has the right to life and the right to be loved and cared for by her family.
Terri doesnt have to die. If youll carry out five or six of the steps above, we believe we can win this battle and save Terris life.
But without your help, shes dead.
Please do your partimmediatelybecause tomorrow may be too late.
Thank you
and God bless.
Signed,
Fr. Frank Pavone
Priests For Life
Rev. Patrick Mahoney
Christian Defense Coalition
Rev. Rob Schenck
National Clergy Council
Joe Scheidler
Pro-Life Action League
Troy Newman
Operation Rescue
Brandi Swindell
Generation Life
Mike McMonagle
Family Life Educational Foundation
URGENT Reply Memo
YES! You can definitely count on my support to help save Terris life during this critical time!
Be a voice for Terri SchiavoI cant believe they want to starve her to deathsomething our society wouldnt even do to cats or dogs! The public needs to know the truth about this case. Therefore, Im sending the largest contribution I can make at this time to the emergency pro-life coalition known as Voice for Terri so you can fight for Terri in Florida this week and beyond.
I also promise to pray for Terri
to contact Governor Jeb Bush
and to forward this e-mail to everyone on my list. Heres my tax-deductible gift in the amount of
* Please consider sending an Emergency Gift of $35 or more so we have the necessary resources to wage this life-or-death campaign on Terris behalf. Remember: She cant speak for herself, so we are the Voice for Terri.
Voice for Terri Project
Post Office Box 77168
Washington, DC 20013
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But that's a logical approach. Such things don't matter to those who don't care about Mrs. Schiavo's wishes, and just view Mr. Schiavo as evil.
NO one, except the uninformed , has stated that there is a policy, and they have the evidence.
Here are the facts. Michael states there is no 'insurance policy'.
Michael states all the 'insurance proceeds' for Terri's rehabilitation are gone.
Michael's Lawyer, Mr. Felos, says there is about $60,000 left.
Michael's live-in girlfriend (who has conceived two children by him) has HER OWN INSURANCE COMPANY. It is on the internet, but the word INSURANCE is mispelled, making it hard to find. Since she is the owner/manager (along with Michael), I don't see them willing to release any possible insurance policy they may have on Terri to the public. COULD THIS BE THE REASON HE WON'T DIVORCE TERRI?
Michael's parents were ill, and he had them 'put to sleep' (Euthanasia).
Michael wanted his girlfriend to move in with him (into his parent's house, which he inherited the moment he had them successfully terminated), but his girlfriend had dogs.
So, Michael had the cats TERMINATED (Euthanasia).
Now, Terri is a burden on his conscience. So, he wants her TERMINATED (Euthanasia).
ANYONE SEE A PATTERN HERE?
The judge in the case issued an ORDER OF TERMINATION, to be effective TOMORROW. He would have ordered it sooner, but for the DCF, which needed time to investigate the charges proferred by the family. He was being forced to follow the law in giving DCF time, but his order states that TOMORROW, there will be NO MORE STAYS CONSIDERED PERIODOTO.
I feel wonderful. She's my life and I wouldn't trade her for the world. I believe in my wedding vows. ,
The VOWS that state I get everything when she dies.
Michael's live-in girlfriend has an insurance license, and her own insurance company.
Good grief! It seems to me that if YOU know all of this, the police and the judge should know all of this! I wonder why he hasn't been fully investigated by now.
This article is a must read!
FLORIDA DCF SEEKS 60-DAY
STAY IN SCHIAVO DEATH WARRANT
McCabe Conflict Requires Special Prosecutor
http://theempirejournal.com/0225051_florida_dcf_seeks_60.htm
Also there is a petition to impeach Judge Greer
http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html
Sorry, I am not buying this.
I have seen her in videos. You can't do what she was doing with a FLAT EEG. Care to provide a documented source of her EEG's? Or some testimony from someone other than the doctor's FELOS hired?
It wouldn't do him much good to kill her. There would have been an extensive investigation, the bone bruising would have been discovered, and EVEN IF MICHAEL DID NOT CAUSE IT, it would have been suspicious and supportive of abuse.
Michael gives the appearance of being a lowlife mob scum who knows how to exploit the insurance game. I saw his interview on TV and come on, OPEN SHIRT WITH GOLD CHAINS HANGING DOWN. (Either that or he is a gansta pimp!)
The ORIGINAL LAWSUIT, blamed the OB/GYN doctor for her 'accident'. They settled (which is one of the 'games' in the insurance arena) rather than fight it).
Wanna explain that to me so I understand how they were are fault? Seems like Michael may have had a 'plan', or maybe it wasn't him, it was FELOS that inspired him with the plan, and encouraged him knowing he (FELOS) could get the INSCO to give in and pay.
Bottom line. Michael may or may not have had anything to do with Terri's accident.
If not, then he has no excuse for doing the RIGHT THING and letting her parents care for her and letting GOD decide when she is to die.
Date set is 3/18, not tomorrow.
Police, lawyers, judges, do not go out looking to investigate the failings of police, lawyers, and judges. They have to be forced by public opinion, by letters to Governors, Congressmen/women to do so.
That is what you are seeing, and that is why it is being investigated.
Not a bit over the top, so unfortunately, it's not appropriate to cut and paste to every stinkin' thread that pops up. Besides, it was less than 20 column-inches in length.
You do get points for basing it entirely on personal opinion...the "Terri-supporters" might accept you yet...just work on your "life before rights" rhetoric a bit more.
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