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China beginning of the Uprising...
The New York Times ^ | Dec 31 2004 | Joseph Kahn

Posted on 02/22/2005 4:45:37 AM PST by eluminate

Police statistics show the number of public protests reached nearly 60,000 in 2003.

That is an average of 160 per day. That marks an increase of nearly 15 percent over 2002 and was eight times as high as the number recorded a decade ago. Martial law and paramilitary troops are commonly needed to restore order when the police lose control.

China does not have a Polish-style Solidarity movement. Protests may be so numerous in part because they are small, localized expressions of discontent over layoffs, land seizures, use of natural resources, ethnic tensions, misspent state funds, forced immigration, unpaid wages or police killings. They rarely last longer than a day or two.

Yet several mass protests, like the one in Wanzhou, show how people with different causes can seize an opportunity to press their grievances together.

In November, up to 100,000 farmers in Sichuan Province, frustrated by months of fruitless appeals against a dam project that claimed their land, seized Hanyuan County government offices and barred work on the dam site for days. It took 10,000 paramilitary troops to quell the unrest.

Also in November, in Wanrong County, Shanxi Province, in central China, two police officers were killed when enraged construction workers attacked a police station after a traffic dispute. Days later, in Guangdong Province in the far south, riots erupted and a toll booth was burned down after a woman claimed she had been overcharged to use a bridge.

A week ago, a village filled with migrant workers in Guangdong erupted into a frenzy of violence after the police caught a 15-year-old migrant stealing a bicycle and beat him to death. Up to 50,000 migrants rioted there, Hong Kong newspapers reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; uprising
I was surprised a bit that this came out...
1 posted on 02/22/2005 4:45:38 AM PST by eluminate
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To: eluminate
"I was surprised a bit that this came out..."

With the increased foriegn investement in China and the associated business contacts that go on, it is harder and harder for the regime to keep this kind of thing quiet.
We will see more of this sort of thing I am sure.
2 posted on 02/22/2005 4:54:27 AM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: eluminate

China is in complete control of her internal affairs.


3 posted on 02/22/2005 5:39:04 AM PST by The Real Eddie01 (Democrats are the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Feb. 7, 1940 of American Politics)
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To: The Real Eddie01

"China is in complete control of her internal affairs."

The best quote I have seen related to this is that India appears chaotic but is actually stable.....China appears stable but is actually chaotic.

China is not monolithic.....many ethnic and regional interests compete and will potentially clash. They will deal with any internal threats with a heavy hand, I'd wager.


4 posted on 02/22/2005 5:46:11 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

"They will deal with any internal threats with a heavy hand, I'd wager."

The concept of "face" is worth dying for in China. This is not limited to ethnic differences. For instance, recently a driver from one village hit and killed a girl in another village. This requires payment. When the plaintiff villagers went to the other village to seek payment a fight broke out resulting in 150 deaths. Hear about that one?

That's okay, sad but okay, it's cultural. When it becomes political, is when the "hand" appears.


5 posted on 02/22/2005 5:58:16 AM PST by The Real Eddie01 (Democrats are the Tacoma Narrows Bridge Feb. 7, 1940 of American Politics)
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To: RFEngineer
That is an excellent quote. Hadn't heard it before. Maybe, just maybe, the "Mandate of Heaven" is leaving Mao's heirs.
6 posted on 02/22/2005 5:58:41 AM PST by katana
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To: e5man_r_u?

This is exactly why Lil' snot-nosed Kim keeps the lid on in NK.


7 posted on 02/22/2005 6:31:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"This is exactly why Lil' snot-nosed Kim keeps the lid on in NK."

Don't forget the tighter the lid the higher the pressure under it.
When that regime goes it will not be pretty.
8 posted on 02/22/2005 6:45:38 AM PST by e5man_r_u? (A Man's mission: Build, Protect, Provide)
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To: eluminate

i first heard about this about 10 years ago.

it was a c.i.a. prediction that with a free market economy, the ethnic and class divisions within china would again come to the fore.

the idea was that the same thing would eventually happen to china as happened to the soviet union.

francis fukuama in his book "trust" says that one huge, extended family controls china. it only makes sense that their control would be an issue as china modernizes.


9 posted on 02/22/2005 6:51:32 AM PST by ken21 (the terrorists didn't blow up the new york times because the times supports them. /s)
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To: RFEngineer

i disagree. I believe china is much more stable than in the 80's and 90's. Its middle class has grown immensely. And we all know that economics trumps politics in human nature.


10 posted on 02/22/2005 6:58:34 AM PST by Alex Marko
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To: e5man_r_u?

That's what microwave popcorn is for...


11 posted on 02/22/2005 7:22:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: All
One billion pissed-off Chinese on the Great Wall,
One billion pissed-off Chinese,
Beat one down
Put him into the ground
999,999,999 Chinese on the Great Wall
etc, etc
12 posted on 02/22/2005 7:49:55 AM PST by olde north church (Powerful is the hand that holds the keys to Heaven.)
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To: eluminate
Police statistics show the number of public protests reached nearly 60,000 in 2003.

With a population of 1,300 million this is 46 public protests per million. Is this big or small? Well the question is what is their definition of a public protest? Is it more than two persons protesting a decision in a letter to the editor or a riot with more than one dead???
13 posted on 02/22/2005 9:13:08 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: ken21

BTW, China has REAL class divisions... I was watching a Frontline documentary following 5 different Chinese around China through their daily lives for 5 years. The rich guy at the end of the show had 2 kids and they asked him why he had two kids, China having a one child policy. He said the reason he had two kids was that since he was wealthy, he was "better than other people" and allowed to reproduce more.


14 posted on 02/22/2005 9:35:45 AM PST by Odyssey-x
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To: Odyssey-x
We have heard it all before but please do not hold your breath waiting for the revolution to begin in China. I agree with a previous writer that China today is much calmer and less chance for revolution than any other period of time in the twentieth century. The numbers cited here are minuscule compared to the entire population of China. Not even close to be given any significance paid to them at all. China will remain within it's own boarders struggling to take care of its own huge population with their own huge problems just as they have for the last one thousand years or more.

Squire Eaton
15 posted on 02/22/2005 9:51:33 AM PST by Squire Eaton
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To: Odyssey-x
We have heard it all before but please do not hold your breath waiting for the revolution to begin in China. I agree with a previous writer that China today is much calmer and less chance for revolution than any other period of time in the twentieth century. The numbers cited here are minuscule compared to the entire population of China. Not even close to be given any significance paid to them at all. China will remain within it's own boarders struggling to take care of its own huge population with their own huge problems just as they have for the last one thousand years or more.

Squire Eaton
16 posted on 02/22/2005 9:52:06 AM PST by Squire Eaton
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To: eluminate

Cant wait to see this pressure cooker blow off.


17 posted on 02/22/2005 9:58:37 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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