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Muslims Wake Up - Response to Freedom House Investigation
Free Muslims Against Terrorism ^ | 2-20-05 | FMAT

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:09:20 PM PST by Bob J

Muslim-bashing. That's the accusation many of my fellow Muslims now hurl at the various news outlets for their news stories about a Freedom House investigation that found extremist Islamic literature in some leading American mosques. This name-calling is unfortunate.

Since 1980, the Muslim world has experienced an enormous growth of religious fanaticism and extremism the likes of which Islam has not experienced in its 1,400 years. This movement continues to grow because of the spread of Wahhabi Islam; a sect that used to number no more than one percent of all Muslims, but because of money and technology, has spread to more areas around the world.

Extremism is also growing because of an ideology called political Islam. The basis of political Islam is the rejection of secularism and the belief that the mosque and the state should be completely intertwined. Unfortunately, history has shown that when politics and religion are completely intertwined, disaster results.

Most importantly, extremism in the Muslim world continues to grow because most Muslims are unwilling to admit that we have a problem with extremism and support for terrorism. The response by Muslims to the Freedom House report is not the first time that the Muslim community resorted to denial and accusations of Muslim-bashing when presented with evidence of Muslim culpability.

After September 11, many in the Muslim world chose denial and hallucination rather than face up to the sad fact that Muslims perpetrated the 9/11 terrorist acts. After 9/11, many Muslims, including religious leaders and "intellectuals," blamed 9/11 on a Jewish conspiracy, and went as far as fabricating a tale that 4,000 Jews did not show up for work in the World Trade Center on that day.

Since 9/11, the world has watched in horror as hundreds of schoolchildren were murdered in Russia by Chechen Muslim terrorists. Scores of civilians were murdered by Islamic terrorists in Spanish train bombings. Many others have been murdered in suicide bombings in buses, restaurants and other public places, human beings have been beheaded, two Russian passenger planes were blown out of the sky, and many, many atrocities that are too long to mention. All carried out by Muslims.

With all the evidence that Islam is facing a crisis, one wonders what it will take for Muslims to realize that those who commit mass murder in the name of Islam are not just a few fringe elements. What will it take for Muslims to realize that we are facing a crisis potentially more deadly than the AIDS epidemic? What will it take for Muslims to realize that there is a large, evil movement that is turning what was a peaceful religion into a death cult?

Will Muslims wake up before it is too late? Or will we continue blaming an imaginary Jewish conspiracy and entities like The Dallas Morning News for all our problems? The blaming of all Muslim problems on others is a cancer that is destroying Muslim society. And it must stop.

Muslims must wake up, look inward and put a stop to many of our religious leaders who spend most of their sermons teaching hatred, intolerance and violent jihad. We should not be afraid to admit that as Muslims we have a problem with violent extremism. We should not be afraid to admit that so many of our religious leaders belong behind bars, and not behind a pulpit.

Only moderate Muslims can challenge and defeat extremist Muslims. We can no longer afford to be silent. If we remain silent to the extremism within our community, then we should not expect anyone to listen to us when we complain of stereotyping and discrimination by non-Muslims. We should not be surprised when the world treats all of us as terrorists. And we should not be surprised when we are profiled at airports.

Simply put, not only do Muslims need to join the war against extremism and terror, we need to take the lead in this war.

For more information, visit or website at www.freemuslims.org


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To: KingofQue

look at my sentence......I was asking a question not making a statement.....don't be so touchy...I don't have time to read the teachings of Islam, I have to rely on experts and sift thru their data and info...I"m didn't ask about teachings......I asked if there aren't some Asian nations that are Muslim but not theocratic......you seem to know alot of this....are there not some???????....(question not statement)


141 posted on 02/21/2005 10:24:27 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: KingofQue

it was the other guy who attacked me....and I don't mind debating except that somehow I got linked with some kind of Muslim apologist by the other lad.....I rarely get irrate anymore after enduring a disability that took me 3 years to heal where I almost died.....well it took alot of hard work and I'm almost 100% back to bodybuilding and everything. I don't say that for sympathy but I appreciate most of life now more than most people, so I rarely get irrate cause I learned ALOT of patience thru those agonizing years


142 posted on 02/21/2005 10:29:00 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Lurker
"Take this one: " We cannot win an all out war with 1 billion people." This is an not only an unproven assertion, it's flat out wrong."

Of course you can kill a billion people with a few hundred warheads, that doesn't mean you can win the war. When I say "win the war" I'm talking about about winning the war against the concept of Muslim fundamentalism and the consequential fallout on worldwide public opinion.

I've made a simple statement. Prove I'm wrong.
143 posted on 02/21/2005 10:30:39 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

The world wide Jihad is theirs, not mine. Islam dominates every area of public and private life that it encounters. "ISLAM" means subjegation. It means it. Democracy is the right of the individual to have the power to do or change things. There is no room for Democracy in Islam. Islam must be subjegated for Democracy to exist. That is a contradiction that Islam cannot allow.


144 posted on 02/21/2005 10:35:18 PM PST by KingofQue
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To: NorCalRepub

Glad you are doing better. Hope you retun to former self. Time heals all wounds but not that you don't know it happened. Good luck!


145 posted on 02/21/2005 10:38:05 PM PST by KingofQue
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To: Bob J
"When I say "win the war" I'm talking about about winning the war against the concept of Muslim fundamentalism and the consequential fallout on worldwide public opinion."

Here's a clue for you Bob. If all your enemies are dead and their cities and monuments are smoking radioactive dust then you've won the war and world opinion isn't worth a sack of horse dung.

You don't wage war on a 'concept'. You wage war on people. Anyone who has ever worn a uniform and carried a weapon in the service of this country has had that lesson learned the hard way.

You said earlier that you never served this country, but that you were still entitled to an opinion. That's true.

I'm going to hazard a guess here that you've never been to medical school either. Now, you're perfectly entitled to have an opinion as to how to perform brain surgery. But that doesn't mean I'm going to let you take a knife to my skull.

You have a perfect right to your opinions on matters both military and medical. But just because you have a right to them doesn't mean that your opinions on either subject will be correct.

You're in over your head here Bob, and one of lifes first rules is: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Do yourself a favor Bob. Stop digging.

L

146 posted on 02/21/2005 10:38:55 PM PST by Lurker ("We're all sinners, but jerks revel in their sins. " P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: KingofQue

thank you and good night......


147 posted on 02/21/2005 10:39:51 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Bob J

Dear Bob J,

Thank you for your response. As I said, your religion allows you to say the worst and the best, it also allows you to practice Taqqya deceit. Did your prophet not say "War is deceit?"

With such a background, it is your faith that has the credibility problem. Words are cheap. Everybody loves peace and brotherhood, everybody likes pizza too.

At last count there are 30 conflicts on the planet. Islam is involved in 28 of them; 95% of all terrorist acts are Islamic. The plots are being hatched in Mosques and Islamic centers and the perpetrators are quoting ayas.

If the Islamic world were about peace and brotherhood, you wouldn't be a lone voice in the wilderness. It's that simple.

The truth of the matter is that as with Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Shintoism, I would love to enjoy, nay, I demand, the luxury of not knowing a single thing about your chosen religion, certain that it is safe, reasonable, calm, peaceful. Instead I and millions of others have had to learn.

I couldn't care less what your book says. I'm certain that other books have bad calls in them too. There's a whole religion Rastafarianism that is heavily based on marijuana. I'm much more inclined to dance to Bob Marley's reggae than to see what it's really all about.

If an old lady like my mother has nail clips confiscated from her hand bag at the airport before boarding... the link is with your religion, not with the Greek Orthodox or the Zen. Idem for color coded alerts. That's the music we were offered by Islam to dance to.

I have no intention of arguing your perfect interpretation. I could take out my Windows 95 and turn it into a perfect religion. I could quote all the fine promises and reasonable suggestions of Mr. Bill Gates... Yet the program crashed for me as it crashed for millions of others. Bill was very quick at upgrading. Windows 98 was better and now Windows XP is amazingly trouble free.

Bill listened to the people, Bill was responsible... Microsoft has leadership. Islam has no leadership, only a great big and heavy inertia that must be moved along by "Infidels"... Just as the Islamic world has relied on the "infidel" to upgrade its technology, so too must it rely on OUR coercion to upgrade its morality. Otherwise, for example, slavery in Darul Islam would've ended of its own accord without outside imposition.

I mention the Imam of my city, Rome being ousted by politicians. It's a sorry state of affairs when the Imam of the largest mosque in Continental Europe needs to be escorted to the border by notoriously corrupt Italian politicians. Now the politicians of other European countries are making demands. In France and Holland, sermons will soon have to be delivered in the local language and the injunctions concerning the beating of wives, or the call to Jihad will have to toned down to meet certain political standards.

Your call to conscience, though noble, will not be heeded by your co-religionists. For it is conscience itself which they have submitted.

Your call to conscience as that of other Muslims (especially those who tend to be Koran only, those who tend to soften the translations of the rough Ayas) are paradoxically all coming from Christian countries. Interesting, n'est ce pas? It means that it is not wheat of your own sack.

So in conclusion, all judgment upon your religion, as far as I'm concerned will be based on what happens spontatenously in Muslim countries.

For the time being, all I know is that you're praying towards a place where I'm not allowed to set foot... so that is Islam's bottom line regarding the concept of brotherhood - all the rest is talk, phonemes, hot air;

All I know is that the Copts of Egypt are oppressed and have difficulty in even being allowed to repair their old Churches. I'm a Christian, not a Copt, but a Christian and so in the name of Golden Rule reciprocity, I don't want to see a single mosque built in my land. (Worry not, Rome has the biggest in Europe... Rome, the capital of Catholic Christendom, whereas a Filipino worker in Saudi Arabia is not even afforded the blessing of a priest, should he collapse in the heat while laying out boiling asphalt to build a road there).

All I know is that American cities have color coded alerts and that 15,000 Italians were hired to keep eyes on the train tracks...

All I know is that Italian women in mixed marriages can lose their children if the husband takes them to see grandpa and grandma in the old country and suddenly gets an itch to remarry there.

Islam will be judged neutrally... That is, when Mother can forget her nail clips in her purse... when I can take a train here in Italy and see Arab kids come aboard with backpacks and think nothing of it. I have no such paranoias for the Indian kids, the Chinese, the Filipinos. None whatsoever.

The mistrust in places once proud of multi-culturalism has been amply earned. If you feel it, your perception is correct. You may call it racism, hate, Islamophobia, you may tag any name on it that you wish.

Like e-bay transactions, trust needs to be earned the hard way. And at the moment, only suckers would buy the Islamic used car. Because for every reasonable voice, there are 1000 preaching the vilest anti-semitism; It is calculated that 15 percent of Dutch Muslims are "Fundamentalist"... It is a fact that not a single Muslim in Rome's crowded Mosque flinched when Imam Moussa thundered and moaned his curses on entire nations and praised the oblivion of suicide bombing.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.


148 posted on 02/22/2005 3:45:29 AM PST by Hudobna
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To: Hudobna
Very well said.

L

149 posted on 02/22/2005 7:21:32 AM PST by Lurker ("We're all sinners, but jerks revel in their sins. " P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: NorCalRepub
Between tolerance and our safety, I choose our safety. I did read the entire thread (up to my post) after my first comment thanking him for being a brave Muslim-American.

I am not interested in killing all Muslims, as you could tell by reading my comments.

To be perfectly frank, I do not trust them. I do believe they are told by their religion that we are the infidel, and deserve death. I do not trust them to 'guard' our President in the SS. Islam is not simply a religion, it is a POLITICAL organization as well, which comes first in their duties to their 'god'.
If Bob J. is sincere, he is one in a million.

Your sarcasm is not appreciated.

150 posted on 02/22/2005 8:35:44 AM PST by meema
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To: Bennett46
Yes, this cult creeps me out too.

Thanks, Bennett. I feel sorry that I have to feel this way. My fallback position has always been to be tolerant of all religions. But as someone said before, I cannot forget what they did to us...and I have never seen a hundred thousand of them marching in support of us and our ideals. I do not like them to be in our country anymore. They should go back to any number of their countries, such as SA, Syria, etc. where they can feel more at home.

151 posted on 02/22/2005 8:49:12 AM PST by meema
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To: Bob J

Chuckie Rangel should put his on his reading list!


152 posted on 02/22/2005 8:51:15 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Hudobna

As I stated before, I am Catholic and a Mick to boot. The organization who put out this piece co-sponsored our "March Against Terror" in '04 and has a monthly radio program on RIGHTALK.com.


153 posted on 02/22/2005 9:22:46 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

Ciao Bob J,

Oh, I apologize. It was quite late and must've rushed too quickly through the thread. I owe you a beer!

H


154 posted on 02/22/2005 9:45:36 AM PST by Hudobna
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To: meema

See #153.


155 posted on 02/22/2005 9:53:39 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Bob J

I'm so sorry, Bob. I wondered if your tagline was honest or not...But I haven't finished reading the whole thread. So far I 've read up to 55 or so. I thought this was your piece, and couldn't make sense of your RIGHTTALK allusion.

My apologies, again. Take care.
meema


156 posted on 02/22/2005 10:26:01 AM PST by meema
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To: NorCalRepub

Paranoid? Tell that to the very few Christians who have maintained their identity and continue to live among them in the Middle East. 1300 years of history cannot be wrong. Talk to escaped Christians who tell their stories of horror daily.

I am afraid that it's well meaning people like you who have fallen for the wicked trickery of Muslims. Just stay vigilant. The latest phase in the War on Islam is just beginning.


157 posted on 02/22/2005 11:09:54 AM PST by eleni121 (Four more years and four more again after that...)
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To: eleni121

I haven't fallen for anything....most terrorists are Muslim no doubt.....my intial post was to thank the original poster for denouncing Terrorists.....we always want them to speak out, so when one does I'll say "atta boy"......plus there are many in our party that think democracy will work in Iraq.......are they all looney tunes? I just said when our leaders start telling me ALL Muslims are terrorists than I'll be more convinced.....I'm not saying Islam is peaceful......I"m saying that it seems that not all of them practice terrorism.....many in the US don't......at least the ones I know


158 posted on 02/22/2005 11:15:17 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: meema

No prob.


159 posted on 02/22/2005 11:32:49 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Hudobna

Thank you for your fine post, Hudobna.


"It is a fact that not a single Muslim in Rome's crowded Mosque flinched when Imam Moussa thundered and moaned his curses on entire nations and praised the oblivion of suicide bombing."


Has Imam Polazzi(sp) responded to the arrest and deportation of Moussa?


160 posted on 02/22/2005 12:37:30 PM PST by Bennett46
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