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New Tapes Say Bush May Have Smoked Marijuana (Gasp..! Bush Smoked Marijuana)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7682264 ^

Posted on 02/20/2005 2:03:25 PM PST by rs79bm

By Sue Pleming ( <---- LIBERAL ALERT!) WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush indicated in interviews secretly taped by a friend before he became president that he had used marijuana but would not admit it for fear of setting a bad example for children.

Portions of the tapes, recorded from 1998 to 2000 by author Doug Wead without Bush's knowledge, were aired on ABC News on Sunday and published by The New York Times. Their authenticity was verified by the media outlets but has not been independently checked by Reuters.

"I wouldn't answer the marijuana question. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried," Bush purportedly says on the tape.

He added: "But you got to understand, I want to be president. I want to lead. I want to set -- Do you want your little kid say, 'Hey, Daddy, President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will?"'

In the tape, Bush mocks former Vice President Al Gore -- who fought him for the presidency in 2000 -- for admitting he smoked marijuana.

White House officials did not dispute the tapes' veracity and indicated the president was disappointed by their release.

"These were casual conversations that then Gov. Bush was having with someone he thought was a friend, and that's what they are," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with Bush to Europe aboard Air Force One.

NOT AWARE

McClellan said Bush, who was governor of Texas when the tapes were made, was not aware he was being recorded and the White House found out only when contacted by the New York Times for comment.

"Look, I think that, one, the comments in the tapes speak for themselves. And two, I think that what I just said pretty much speaks for itself," McClellan said when pressed about the details.

"Those were issues that were addressed ad nauseam four years ago and they were conversations that took place more than four years ago," he said, adding that Bush had not been in contact with Wead for several years.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dougwead; drugwarrior; hypocritical; wod; wodlist
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To: robertpaulsen

No, they just get saddled with drug convictions, in some cases felony drug convictions, that follow them around for the rest of their lives. Not that George W. Bush would have had to worry about that if he'd ever been caught, unlike many less fortunate people.


141 posted on 02/22/2005 1:34:56 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: mbennett203

"Someone gets caught with a bunch of pot plants, they go to jail sometimes for the rest of their lives. Mother in Atlanta strangles her kid, and gets a "get your tubes tied and be good now." That's a steaming load."

In fairness, George W. Bush didn't make those laws, and Bill Clinton didn't do anything to change them when he was in power, either.


142 posted on 02/22/2005 1:38:14 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: rs79bm
I hope the Secret Service can arrest Mr. Wead soon for Blackmail!

He has stated publicly that he has hours and hours of unheard tapes, but wasn't planning on using them.

...wasn't planning on using them? Unless what?

143 posted on 02/22/2005 1:39:00 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: rs79bm
Bush "may have". There's no doubt about this dork.


144 posted on 02/22/2005 1:46:21 PM PST by Beckwith (I know Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't no Indian either . . .)
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To: af_vet_rr

You are so right with your post.
Nobody should judge him,because many have tried this or that in their youth and admit as adults that it was a mistake to do so.
BTW,you learn from your mistakes and can teach others(your kids for example) from it.


145 posted on 02/22/2005 1:49:52 PM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: -YYZ-

"No, they just get saddled with drug convictions, in some cases felony drug convictions, that follow them around for the rest of their lives. Not that George W. Bush would have had to worry about that if he'd ever been caught, unlike many less fortunate people."

It is a shame though that so many have their lives ruined over youthful indiscretions that may very well have never hurt anyone. I'm a public defender and I was just having this conversation a minute ago with a client in my office. He's a drug addict who is struggling with getting off the drugs. I played around with drugs when I was younger, even some of the hard stuff. I was lucky though. I never got caught and I never got addicted. Like this guy said to me a moment ago, when you are young you feel bulletproof. No one thinks they'll get caught and no one thinks they'll get addicted. Only stupid weak people get caught or addicted, so many of us thought when we were younger. But the truth seems to be that some people are just predisposed to addiction and anyone could get caught, although most don't. All I know is that I am lucky, and but for the grace of God go I.


146 posted on 02/22/2005 2:16:36 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
I thought he said if someone said he denied doing coke they'd be lying. Who knows?

Um, I know, that's who. I and others who are capable of following a transcript.

Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if he had, either. It really bothers me not one whit if he smoked marijuana and I completely respect the stance he took on what it means to be a leader and setting an example. I've often thought over the years that he and Laura set a marvelous example in many areas of life.

BTW, I don't think at the time period in question coke was that popular or easy to obtain. That period of pretty open coke use would be in the 70s, not the late 60s. I do not think he's done cocaine for that and other reasons.

I do not need reassurance about what matters. I simply deal with what is and what is likely.

147 posted on 02/22/2005 2:53:22 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: DennisR

I always thought Clinton should have been dismissed as too dumb after his "didn't inhale" comment.


148 posted on 02/22/2005 2:55:35 PM PST by JRjr (hMMM?)
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To: rmmcdaniell
I never heard anyone who had their house seized fro smoking dope.. it is a misdemeanor.
149 posted on 02/22/2005 2:56:50 PM PST by todd1
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To: rs79bm

Now when they talk about the dope smoker in the whitehouse they will have to be more specific. He he


150 posted on 02/22/2005 2:57:53 PM PST by amosmoses (Merle Haggard- The last great American singer.)
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To: -YYZ-

Yes, this is not their fault individually per se.


151 posted on 02/22/2005 6:12:52 PM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute warrior who has dedicated his life to ridding the world of hippies.")
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To: cyncooper
Which transcript are you talking about and what makes you think I was talking about the sixties? His wild party days extended past that decade.

I don't think Bush has ever denied using cocaine despite having been asked about it several times. When this Wead guy said that Mr. Bush had in the past publicly denied using cocaine, Mr. Bush apparently replied, "I haven't denied anything." He's been very coy about cocaine use. I'd like to see the transcript you are talking about so I can see what he said and in what context he said it. I don't think he's ever done anything close to a denial of cocaine use.
152 posted on 02/22/2005 6:24:49 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: hkg11

But for the media's hatred of Pres. Bush they would praise his early use of pot. They just cannot shed their hate.


153 posted on 02/22/2005 7:05:44 PM PST by NCLaw441 (uit)
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To: TKDietz

Excerpts of the tapes have been published and also played on tv. Not only did I hear him say if anyone comes forward to say he did coke they'd be lying, but that is how several other respected people have interpreted his comments, too (I heard them AFTER I had heard/read that part of the tapes).

In addition, the tapes explain a bit more in-depth his rationale for deciding to not answer the drug questions...a rationale which he had publicly stated but more generally.

He did not ever directly take on the drug question, but he did give, in 1999, a 25 year window of saying there was nothing since that time.

There is nothing at all that indicates he did coke. Yes, you can hypothesize it was possible, but there is no witness, there were no hints, and now we have the tapes where he says if somebody shows up it will be made up.

Sorry, but it is time to acknowledge that there is no evidence for it and to drop it.

BTW, as to your point that he has not denied it. That is the very point he's made in public and on the tapes. He was not going to address the subject at all for the reasons he articulated.

And as I said earlier, it was the second half of the 70s when coke began to be wildly popular, not the early 70s.


154 posted on 02/22/2005 7:20:10 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
"Not only did I hear him say if anyone comes forward to say he did coke they'd be lying, but that is how several other respected people have interpreted his comments, too."

Look, you made some snide comment about how you are capable of reading a transcript, insinuating I guess that I am too stupid to do so. I asked you to please produce the thing so that I could read it too. You did not. Now you expect me to take what you say at face value. I'm not going to do it.

"He did not ever directly take on the drug question, but he did give, in 1999, a 25 year window of saying there was nothing since that time."

I don't believe that he ever did give a 25 year window. I think he was very cryptic and coy about it and you could have interpreted what he actually said a bunch of different ways.

"There is nothing at all that indicates he did coke. Yes, you can hypothesize it was possible, but there is no witness, there were no hints, and now we have the tapes where he says if somebody shows up it will be made up."

I don't know. He's really left the question open. There has been a lot of rumor and speculation and he refuses to deny having used the drug. He's made some cryptic comments about how he could have passed government background tests which depending upon how you interpret what he said and depending on what time frame he was alluding to could have meant that if he used hard drugs he hadn't used in 25 years or it could have meant he hadn't used in something like 7 years. In the tapes he apparently said:

"GEORGE BUSH: (inaudible) it doesn't matter – cocaine, it'd be the same with marijuana. I wouldn't answer the marijuana question.

DOUG WEAD: Uh-hunh.

GEORGE BUSH: Do you know why? Because I don't want some little kid doin' what I tried.

DOUG WEAD: Yeah, and it never stops, the question.

GEORGE BUSH: But you gotta understand, I want to be President, I want to lead, I want to set… do you want your little kid to say hey Daddy, President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will?"

He could have been hinting there that he might have done cocaine. Maybe not. Unfortunately I can't find any transcripts of the tapes, only little snippets here and there. From what I have seen at least though there is no denial. He hasn't denied that he's ever used cocaine. There is certainly not enough for someone to declare as fact that he has used the drug, but on the other hand he has never denied having used the drug at some point in his past despite having been asked about it several times. It would be equally wrong to declare as fact that the man has never used the drug.

This really isn't worth arguing over. You don't think the president ever used cocaine. My suspicion is that he has used it before. Neither of us have much to back up our assertions. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. It's not all that important.
155 posted on 02/23/2005 3:46:16 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz; cyncooper

You 100% miss the point.

Bush has refused to deny or confirm ANY OF THIS RUMORMONGERING.

He has done so by design. He has explained why, and it makes perfect sense. If you start down that road, there is no end. The media and your political enemies will raise rumor after rumor, question after question, on an endless series of possible fauxpas in your past. So regardless of what you did or did not do in your past, the stories become all about your past...15, 20, 30, 35, 40 years ago.

Get it?

George W Bush is not going to let people like that - and apparently like you - do that to him, his life, his family, and by extension, this nation!


156 posted on 02/23/2005 4:01:11 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: TKDietz
I don't believe that he ever did give a 25 year window.

Well, I remember when it happened and here's a lib source confirming my statement.

Bush's Drug Hypocrisy

excerpt:

"As I understand it", Bush told a press conference, "the current [FBI] form asks the question, `Did somebody use drugs in the last seven years?' and I will be glad to answer that question and the answer is No." Taking him at his word, this meant that Bush had not used drugs since 1992.

The following day, Bush shifted the boundary back farther, stating that, at the time his father was inaugurated as president in 1989, he would have passed the background check that was then in force, which required a statement that the subject of the check had not used drugs in the previous 15 years.

He was saying, in other words, that he had not used drugs since 1974. And this, essentially, is his final word on the matter.

~snip~

Furthermore, here is the part of the tape on cocaine:

In Secretly Taped Conversations, Glimpses of the Future President

excerpt:

He worried, though, that allegations of cocaine use would surface in the campaign, and he blamed his opponents for stirring rumors. "If nobody shows up, there's no story," he told Mr. Wead, "and if somebody shows up, it is going to be made up." But when Mr. Wead said that Mr. Bush had in the past publicly denied using cocaine, Mr. Bush replied, "I haven't denied anything."

~snip~

157 posted on 02/23/2005 5:25:10 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: mrchipping
There was gentleman in California who was killed when his house was raided on "suspicion" of growing pot. It was discovered later that he was raided because it was hoped that his considerable property could be confiscated by law enforecement and he had just married a young lady who had once been arrested for having pot on her person.
He was killed by the officers conducting the raid because he was woken up and reached for a gun, a legally registered gun, thinking that his house was being broken into.

He was right.

And, yes, this shows the moral worthlessness of politicians who pursue the War on Some Drugs after getting a free pass for their own violations.

158 posted on 02/23/2005 6:43:56 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: cyncooper
"Well, I remember when it happened and here's a lib source confirming my statement."

In that case I take it all back. If a lib source says something it must be the gospel truth. (not)

"The following day, Bush shifted the boundary back farther, stating that, at the time his father was inaugurated as president in 1989, he would have passed the background check that was then in force, which required a statement that the subject of the check had not used drugs in the previous 15 years."

I don't think George Bush said that. Did he personally ever say that he would have passed an FBI background check at the time his father was inaugurated as president in 1989? He did say no when he was asked if he had used drugs in the past seven years, but I don't think he personally elaborated on that later, although others did. If he wanted to he could come out and clear the whole thing up by simply denying that he has ever used cocaine, but he won't do that.

"If nobody shows up, there's no story," he told Mr. Wead, "and if somebody shows up, it is going to be made up."

That's no denial. That could be an honest statement by a man who did use cocaine but has good reason to believe that the few people who may have seen him do it wouldn't come forward and talk about it. Right after making that ambiguous statement he clearly stated that he hasn't denied anything. Clearly, if he hasn't ever done cocaine and he wanted to put this to rest all he would have to do is say he's never done it. But he made a conscious decision not to do that and by doing so has left it open for people to believe what they want to believe.

This isn't worth arguing about. Personally, I'd rather he just set the record straight. I wouldn't think less of him if he had used cocaine, LSD, whatever, or not back when he was younger. But he's made it clear that he isn't going to talk about whatever past drug use that may or may not have occurred in his younger days, so we'll probably never know. Seems like he's trying to hide something to me, but maybe not. It's not really that big of a deal.
159 posted on 02/23/2005 10:04:55 AM PST by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
If a lib source says something it must be the gospel truth. (not)

That was not the point. There are plenty of sources. I chose the first one that popped up on Google. The FACT is as I stated.

160 posted on 02/23/2005 10:11:16 AM PST by cyncooper
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