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Pope Criticized on Abortion View in Book
Yahoo! News ^ | February 19, 2005 | The Associated Press

Posted on 02/19/2005 1:07:04 PM PST by wmichgrad

FRANKFURT, Germany - A German Jewish leader criticized the pope Saturday for making what he called an unacceptable comparison between abortion and the Holocaust in a new book.

Paul Spiegel, the head of Germany's Central Council of Jews, told the Netzeitung daily that Pope John Paul (news - web sites) II's statements reflect similar "unacceptable" comments made by a Roman Catholic Cardinal in Cologne.

Spiegel was referring to a passage in "Memory and Identity: Conversations Between Millenniums," where the pope draws a broad comparison between abortion and the Holocaust, saying both came about when people decided to usurp "the law of God."

The book is based on the pope's conversations in 1993 with two close friends from his native Poland.

After noting that a legally elected parliament allowed Hitler's rise to power in Germany, which led to the Holocaust, the pope says: "We have to question the legal regulations that have been decided in the parliaments of present day democracies. The most direct association which comes to mind is the abortion laws ...

"Parliaments which create and promulgate such laws must be aware that they are transgressing their powers and remain in open conflict with the law of God and the law of nature."

Spiegel told the daily that "such statements show that the Roman Catholic Church "has not understood or does not want to understand that there is a tremendous difference between factory-like genocide and what women do to their bodies."

Criticism for the book also came from a Greens parliamentarian, Volker Beck.

"For the pope to draw a comparison between abortion and the Holocaust shows a lack of moral and ethical direction," Beck said in Berlin.

The book is to be published Feb. 23 in Italy by Rizzoli, which also plans an English version.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; bookreview; johnpaulii; memoryandidentity; pope
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1 posted on 02/19/2005 1:07:05 PM PST by wmichgrad
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To: wmichgrad

40+ million in the US alone vs. 6 million....

Hmmmm....


2 posted on 02/19/2005 1:07:55 PM PST by Guillermo ("Now how can a Puerto Rican lose a fly ball in the sun?' - Harry Caray)
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To: wmichgrad

It is a holocaust and if you believe in legal abortions, you're a Nazi


3 posted on 02/19/2005 1:08:01 PM PST by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: NYer

For the Catholic ping list.


4 posted on 02/19/2005 1:08:11 PM PST by wmichgrad ("The man is insane. He has lost his mind" Rush Limbaugh 1/28/05 re: Sen. Kennedy's remarks on Iraq)
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To: wmichgrad

What else can you call the abortion epidemic? Babies are being targeted for destruction as a group!


5 posted on 02/19/2005 1:08:35 PM PST by spower
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To: spower

infanticide


6 posted on 02/19/2005 1:10:11 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: wmichgrad
Hello,

I happen to agree with the Pope:
Abortion: Millions of innocents dead.
Holocaust: Millions of innocents dead.


Glad to be here, MOgirl
7 posted on 02/19/2005 1:11:10 PM PST by MOgirl (My tag line is gone, how weird...)
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To: wmichgrad
there is a tremendous difference between factory-like genocide and what women do to their bodies." """

Agreed. But let's get back to the subject at hand - abortion. That's when women - or doctors - do something to someone ELSE's body, namely, destroy it.

8 posted on 02/19/2005 1:11:31 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: wmichgrad
Generally I hate when people make comparisons to Hitler/Holocaust/Nazis. It usually seems silly and lazy, however I have to agree with the Pope on this one.
9 posted on 02/19/2005 1:11:47 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: wmichgrad

Abortion is in at least on respect WORSE than the Holocaust: worldwide the number of abortions has to be in the hundreds of millions.


10 posted on 02/19/2005 1:14:49 PM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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To: wmichgrad
Such irony that this man criticizing the Pope cannot see that he is dehumanizing others (the unborn) just as the Nazis did to his people.
When Cardinal Lawrence Shehan of Baltimore publicly defended the civil rights of African Americans almost thirty years ago, he was expressing a moral truth about the equal dignity before God of all human beings. The same conviction leads his successors and should compel all of you today to defend the right to life of every human being from conception to natural death, to care for and protect the unborn and all those whom others might deem "inconvenient" or "undesirable". That moral principle is not something alien to America, but rather speaks to the very origins of this nation!
     -- Pope John Paul II, Baltimore Cathedral, 1995

11 posted on 02/19/2005 1:15:57 PM PST by B Knotts
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It is a holocaust and if you believe in legal abortions, you're a Nazi

I hope you were being sarcastic. While I have no problem with the abortion/holocaust comparison, many people who support abortion are merely shallow and do not support abortion out of malice.

12 posted on 02/19/2005 1:18:55 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (The people previously responsible for this tagline have been sacked.)
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To: churchillbuff



EXCELLENT reply.
BRAVO!


13 posted on 02/19/2005 1:19:35 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: wmichgrad
Spiegel told the daily that "such statements show that the Roman Catholic Church "has not understood or does not want to understand that there is a tremendous difference between factory-like genocide and what women do to their bodies."

So much for "never again". Like the Nazis, simply make the victims non-human and it's okay to kill them.

14 posted on 02/19/2005 1:20:30 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Guillermo
40+ million in the US alone vs. 6 million.... - Good point!
15 posted on 02/19/2005 1:21:13 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I wonder if the same could be said of any Nazi era Germans...


16 posted on 02/19/2005 1:22:09 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: wmichgrad

The abortion holocaust is precisely a holocaust, even more so than what the Nazis did to Christians and others. The abortion holocaust is a religious sacrifice, the offering of human life to the false god of convenience and pleasure. In some cases its more sinister than that, the deliberate dedication of the aborted child to the devil by the intention of the abortionist who is demonic.


17 posted on 02/19/2005 1:22:55 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort)
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To: wmichgrad

World wide Holocaust! Bravo to the Pope! How saddened God must be to see all His beautiful children being killed!


18 posted on 02/19/2005 1:24:48 PM PST by laceybrookesdad (A half truth is a whole lie!)
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To: wmichgrad

Not a Catholic, but I think the Pope is right on th money with this one.


19 posted on 02/19/2005 1:25:23 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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To: TheDon

So much for "never again". Like the Nazis, simply make the victims non-human and it's okay to kill them.





Exactly.


20 posted on 02/19/2005 1:31:38 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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