Sen. Clinton Says Iraq Insurgents Failing

NY Times ^ | February 19, 2005 | NA

[cake_crumb]

I believe they work together to put on a good front for the good of the Republican party in general. We're also concerned about the good of the Republican party in general. Disagreeing with someone's policies is not eating our own, it's common sense. He can be a useful ally when he's in the mood to be one. He is not to be trusted.

[demkicker]

The man is despicable. No other word for it.

Apparently I used harsher words and offended JoethePirate and NorCalRepub. Check it out. < / losing sleep over it>

[BobFromNJ]

Bump---Right on---Let us use McCain when we can and when we can't---IGNORE HIM

[NorCalRepub]

exactly.....it is usually the Texans for some reason that throw the most insults when a Calif thread comes on.and there are many Californians here to attest to it.....I don't know if it is a cultural thing or not....but like you said I don't think throwing around words like "traitor" is all that conducive to civil discourse but it shows a level of ingnorance about the true meaning of the word

[Osage Orange]

No you can include radio as well. Dennis Miller is more comedy than interview.

No print media? Wow...you are a hard nose negotiator. LOL!!

The times I've caught Dennis Miller he's asked better questions than most of the MSM...even when he's joking. In a head to head with Russert...I'd place money on Miller. And that's no joke...

FWIW-

[NorCalRepub]

I don't care who disagrees with him at all.......but calling him traitor like some here is beyond the pale.. did any of you guys salute him when he spoke on behalf of the Prez.......I kind of doubt it caues instead of disagreeing with specific ideas, many here hate the man all out and would never give him credit for anything......that sounds too much like what liberals do

[NorCalRepub]

exactly......doesn't make him a traitor......we should do that with anyone no matter what the party affiliation. Just like we did with Zell Miller.....give him credit when he is right and bang him when you disagree.......hating him just to hate him (not you) is just uncivil and poor strategy

[cake_crumb]

I agree. His words were stupid and self serving, but not on a level with treason. Besides, what he was telling the terrorists was not to kill more Americans, but to kill less of us so we'll go away. That would tanslate to telling them to kill more Iraqis, not more Americans. While inhuman, it's not treason.

[cake_crumb]

I don't think his words at the presser were treasonous. I believe his actons in shredding documentation regarding POW/MIA in Vietnam was treasonous, at least to his brothers. We seem to be talking about two different things, you and I.

No, I didn't salute him, but did thank him for not saying anything nasty about the president at the RNC.

[BobFromNJ]

Well said--We should use McCain any time he is with us--and when he goes off the reservation- sort of ignore him! To do other damage to him would only HURT US in the long run. Let's become practical as well as honorable!

[demkicker]

Words do have meaning, which is why I object to lowering the bar for accusing people of treason. Treason is a crime punishable by death and should be reserved for the truly deserving. McCain's comments certainly do not meet that standard.

Give me a break. No politician in Washington will ever actually be charged with treason. Clinton proved that. We're too busy sqwaking and tainting our military because a handful got too rough and put panties on some prisoner's heads.

Face it. McCain has a history of misdeeds regarding the military. His statements today just added another subversive notch in his belt.

You have your opinion and I have mine. IMO, McCain has comitted treason. Read my post #137 for more details. I realize I'm not going to change your mind, but you need to know that you are wasting your time trying to change mine.

[NorCalRepub]

well I admittedly don't know that much about his document shredding, but my whole thing here was not to support his less than enthusiastic ideas but to level blame at his ideas and not stoop to the level of vilification....he not only didn't say anything nasty about Bush, did you hear his speech......he practically glorified him....that was pretty cool considering how he was butchered in the Carolina primary's by Bush's cohorts......that was low and I was voting for Bush at the time....I may fight a losing battle but I'll still fight for us to disagree appropriately so the Dems' don't think we are killing each other....I hardly have a thin skin.....just an over developed sense of inner party civility

[John Lenin]

Dick Morris wrote, "It is about time that the Republican Party realizes that the Christian right is doing to it exactly what the radical black Rainbow Coalition of Jesse Jackson did to the Democratic Party in the '80s - making them unelectable. Their embrace is the kiss of death. It is not that the religious right is wrong. Right or wrong, it gets in the way of so much good that the Republican Party could achieve if it were not in the Christian right's grasp."

[John Lenin]

Mr. Morris cites the election of Arnold Schwartzenegger as the ultimate proof of his assertion. In an effort to whitewash himself, Morris points to the sexual indiscretions and liberal social views of the governor-elect of California. His logic is simple: If they can elect a Republican who gropes women in California, the next step is to get the vote in the deep South the same way.

Allow me to point out something to Dick Morris. There is not the chance of a snowball in hell that Arnold could be elected governor of Alabama or Mississippi, or Georgia, or Virginia. In fact he may be too liberal for New York. The truth is found in the exact reverse of Morris’s logic. Without social conservatives the Republican Party is dead. Without the social conservative vote in the South and Midwest it would be impossible for Republicans to hold on to the House or Senate. A Republican Party with the pro-gay, anti-family agenda Morris calls for can kiss virtually every Senate seat in the South good by.

[NorCalRepub]

well instead of writing to Oldfriend you could have written me back in regards to what I said......it is not the harshness of your words as much as the inappropriateness and intolerance of them......so if I disagree with you, then by your definition you are a jacka** and a fool if I so chose to call you one......I don't think you would find that at all complimentary and would show an immaturity on my part if I did.....

[demkicker]

well of course spoken like a true Texan who seem to feel better about themselves when the are arrogant and intolerant...

But, but, I thought you didn't use harsh words like that!

you know nothing about me.....I struggled back from a Iatrogenic injury caused by doctors and it took me 3 years to heal when I had to rehab and couldn't walk around the block for almost a year.....I went thru worse crap than most people here including war and I have the facts to back it up;

Sorry about your medical problems, but I fail to see what they have to do with my opinion of John McCain.

and besides that.....another generalization about Californians....guess you lump Ronald Reagan in that group.......like I said, it is usually Dummies and activists that resort to that so have at it

Funny you should try playing the Ronald Reagan card. Never has there been a greater President than Reagan, IMO. I'll use one of his euphemisms that fits perfectly in answering you: "There you go again." (while shaking his head no)

[neverdem]

You had me wondering what you're thinking in comment# 193. I believe you're on the money in 194.

[John Lenin]

It's the key to deafeating the witch. Any RINO that pops up to run for the presidency must be taken down, no way in the world a RINO beats Hitlery. It worries me that the GOP is doing everything they can to build her up. The fix may be in.

[NorCalRepub]

well I put the thing in about my past medical thing cause you seem to think all Californians are somehow sensitive which of course is just an insult thrown to get my goat. JUst wanted you to know that what I went thru is not easily endured by someone with a thin skin...I've heard all that Calif is this and that before.....and I never insult another state so what I was doing was throwing back at you what many Texan's do.....of course not all are like that but I don't generalize to an entire state....I know it makes you guys feel superior to insult like that but it really is just a generalization that is inherently accurate in and of itself....that is what I was referring to about McCain. What did you think of McCain when he gave that great speech glorifying Bush and different states stumps and at the convention......thought he gave a stirring speech FOR Bush, not against him

[cake_crumb]

Yes, I heard his speech and agree it was exceptional. I believe he gained a lot of votes for the president that day. I didn't accuse you of having a thin skin. You're welcome to support him if you wish. I personally don't trust him and would never support him for president.