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To: Matchett-PI; Dimensio; PatrickHenry; shubi
"Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. "Teaching evolution is also a religious doctrine", says Mr. Carley, who expressed a desire that this reality continue to be kept secret from the students. Mr. Carley futher reports that it is only Christians who are militant about this subject. "Biology teachers are always a warm, fuzzy, and peaceful people, who never say unkind things about God, Jesus, or Christians", he said.

Carley has said no such thing -- you need to retract this lie. You are bearing false witness. You are telling a lie.

Here's what Carely has *actually* said on the subject:

“Intelligent design is a religious doctrine,” said Wayne Carley, executive director of the National Association of Biology Teachers. “There is no research to support it, and it is clearly religious in that it posits a higher being.”
The other parts you "quoted" him as saying were merely a stupid "putting words in his mouth" opinion written by Freeper "gobucks" -- gobucks was expressing his *own* (silly) opinion, and satirically "imagining" a press conference where Carley was speaking what gobucks believes to be the "real truth".

You have twice repeated this "quote" in this thread as if it were an actual, legitimate quote from Carley, when it most certainly is not.

So the only question remains is -- are you bearing false witness out of intentional dishonesty, or because you were too stupid to understand that those "quotes" were bogus?

Are you honorable enough to retract this falsehood? Or will you be like almost every other creationist I have caught posting falsehoods, and fail to acknowledge your sin?

And why do creationists on the whole turn out to be such shameless prevaricators? I really don't get it. I never have.

418 posted on 02/21/2005 10:17:54 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
You have twice repeated this "quote" in this thread as if it were an actual, legitimate quote from Carley, when it most certainly is not. So the only question remains is -- are you bearing false witness out of intentional dishonesty, or because you were too stupid to understand that those "quotes" were bogus? Are you honorable enough to retract this falsehood? Or will you be like almost every other creationist I have caught posting falsehoods, and fail to acknowledge your sin? And why do creationists on the whole turn out to be such shameless prevaricators? I really don't get it. I never have.

This is the part of the whole thing that I find strangest and scariest. These people belong to a religion which supposedly sets great store by honesty. Yet the best (and rarest) that they can be do when shown to have (at the very least) perpetuated a falsehood is to fall silent. No hint of an apology for posting quote mines or fallacious arguments. Creatos Acknowledging their errors or having learned something are as rare as a solar eclipse.

Almost invariably the response to being caught in a falsehood is one or more of the following:

a. Immediately repeat the falsehood in the same words.

b. Claim not to have been lying.

c. Accuse the person who has caught them of "name calling"

d. Accuse the person who has caught them of lying.

e. Accuse the person who has caught them of thinking like a liberal

f. Accuse all evolutionists of being pinko homosexuals.

g. Accuse academia of wanting to corrupt the morals of youth.

h. Disappear from the current thread, but a few days later repost the identical discredited argument in another crevo thread.

i. Change the subject by responding with another false argument or article gleaned from the same lying source as the previous one.

j. Claim to be just doing their best and not really to understand this stuff. (which would be fine if they then stopped, but they hardly ever do - slow learners)

What is it that makes them behave this way? I hypothesise that they conflate their belief in biblical innerrancy with their own lives and behavior. If they are shown to be wrong about anything then that threatens their religion. So confronted with their error they go into denial. "I speak for Christ therefore what I say must be true"

423 posted on 02/22/2005 1:27:29 AM PST by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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