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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Excellent post!

Do you really think it helps the credibility of you creationists when you say "Excellent post!" to a post full of so many errors, nonsense, and complete falsehoods?

Are you *trying* to reinforce the poor opinion many people already have of conservatives?

You folks are damaging conservatism at least as much as the enviro-wackos, communists, and other nutballs are damaging liberalism.

I ask you to PLEASE reconsider your reckless behavior.

401 posted on 02/21/2005 4:23:58 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
I ask you to PLEASE reconsider your reckless behavior.

Thanks for the advice. Have a nice day.

403 posted on 02/21/2005 4:52:34 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Ichneumon; PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer; jennyp; longshadow; RightWhale; Right Wing Professor
I'm late to this, but I figure that I now have an appropriate reply to Ichneumon's post.

In my opinion, conservatism is currently facing the same crisis it did in the fifties and early sixties, when the John Birch Society threatened its legitimacy as a movement. Part of the problem was at least a result of a liberal media overly eager to paint the opposition as guilty of extremism by association, but there was indeed a genuine threat of total delegitimization of the movement, as many self-proclaimed mainstream conservatism were all to willing to let the Birchers into their ranks, but thanks to the efforts of William F. Buckley and the National Review, the Birchers were purged from their ranks, and the JBS effectively lost all credibility and influence. As it turned out, this was to the betterment of the entire world, as it led to the mainstreaming of conservative ideas in the public consciousness, and the eventual election of Ronald Reagan.

History is now repeating itself, with creationism being regarded as a plank in conservatism not just by its opponents, but by a distressingly high number of its proponents as well. Ichneumon is completely correct and accurate when he says that this is as damaging to conservatism as anti-anti communism has been to liberalism. Creationism not only has nothing to do with conservatism, it is directly opposed to it; conservatism is about the rejection of ideology and idealism, and the acceptance of reality, no matter how uncomfortable that reality may be. At the moment, there is a viewpoint continually being hammered away in the media that conservatism is the opposite of this realist perspective, that it is somehow inherently anti-science and anti-reason. Long after the elections, with its constant reminders of all the Nobel science nominees opposing Bush (even Frank Wilczek felt the need to politicize the award by putting on a Kerry-Edwards button during his press conference), we keep hearing the "Bush and the Republicans are the enemies of science" mantra. Chris Mooney is apparently writing a book on science and the contemporary conservative movement, and you can be certain that it will try to be hatchet job on all of us-and what's worse is that not all of it will be untrue. If conservatism wishes to win future hearts and minds, it will have to look inwards, and admit that there is a problem with creationism, and try to solve it.

So where are the equivalents of National Review and Bill Buckley today, to counteract the creationist cancer eating up conservatism from within? Well, until some magazine devoted to the "Rationalist Right" comes around (I've lost hope in Reason after Virginia Postrel left), Free Republic is taking the place of NR, and the role of William F. Buckley has been taken up by Patrick Henry, Physicist, RadioAstronomer, Ichneumon, Longshadow, Rightwhale, and all the other members of FR's science squad. Not only does a layman such as myself value your input on the science threads, but I salute each and every one of you, for the valiant battle you are fighting for the soul of conservatism. If we beat Dan Rather, than we can beat back the creationists.

412 posted on 02/21/2005 9:24:06 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Marxism-the creationism of the left)
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