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1 posted on 02/19/2005 6:06:10 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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Wall St. Journal editorial board appears to be drifting near the edge.


2 posted on 02/19/2005 6:07:36 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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3 posted on 02/19/2005 6:08:56 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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So last week's House vote to require costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses is a measure of how far the party has strayed from these federalist principles.

Dear WSJ: Like it or not, state driver's licenses are the primary form of ID used for air travel and other activity used by past terrorists. States such as Utah were creating a massive security gap with their drivers' license issuance policy. So untwist your knickers and smell the coffee...

4 posted on 02/19/2005 6:09:52 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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WSJ's editorial board is fixated on open borders and uninterrupted immigration, illegal or legal. Consequently it opposes any legislation that restricts the free movement of illegals.
5 posted on 02/19/2005 6:12:59 AM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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Oh give me a break, this has nothing to do with federalist principles as far as the WSJ is concerned. They are being disingenous. It's all about any attempt to impede the cheap labor they've been relentlessly defending for years.


6 posted on 02/19/2005 6:13:52 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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Is this another unsigned editorial?

This bs makes one wonder if Al Hunt really left the WSJ, or he is still there as the unnamed editor.


7 posted on 02/19/2005 6:18:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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So what is the solution? Continue with the status quo where each State adopts inconsistent and conflicting policies regarding acceptable ID, bestowal of driving privileges, authentication of voting eligibility, etc., etc.? Unfortunately, IMO this is a proper role for the Feds - Establishing a Standard for something the crosses between all States boundaries.
9 posted on 02/19/2005 6:20:15 AM PST by drt1
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costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses

No one needs to read the rest of it.

Only 10 states don't require a "proof of presence" test for DLs. Virginia imposed more stringent regs shortly after 9/11, and the final "proof of presence" component went into effect Jan. 2004. It merely requires that the applicant provide a U.S. birth certificate, naturalization docs, a passport, or foreign passport with valid visa. For local residence, a utility bill or bank statement.

Hardly what anyone in their right mind would call "intrusive."

As for the allegation that it's so "costly", the only costs are for personnel to look at and validate the required documents. I did see one estimate that costs were projected to be $20 million over 5 years, which even conservatively is only $400,000 per year, per state. That's perhaps 8 extra man-years per state to check docs (for you sticklers, a 5 minute document check would mean those 8 people could check 200,000 new DL or ID applications per year, per state).

The WSJ is absolutely nuts and completely disingenuous on this issue.

10 posted on 02/19/2005 6:22:43 AM PST by angkor
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"all of the hijackers entered the U.S. legally, which means they qualified for drivers licenses. The Real ID Act wouldn't change that. Moreover, you don't need a driver's license to fly. Other forms of identification--such as a passport--are acceptable and also were available to the hijackers. Nothing in the Sensenbrenner bill would change that, either. "

The people behind this ID bill don't care about terrorists, they're simply playing to the anti-immigrant crowd who want to make it more difficult for immigrants to compete in the job market.

What the anti-immigrants who can't keep a job don't realize is that they are their own worse enemies, not the immigrants. Most employers would rather close their business than hire the type of whining insecure malcontents that we see populating the immigration threads on FR.

13 posted on 02/19/2005 6:49:09 AM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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The solution for terrorism is to carry arms anywhere at any time.

As for voting, stamp the voters forehead with indelible ink "I Voted!" As for verification of citizenship, get these lazy-ass bureaucrats and politicians out into the community knocking on doors meeting citizens so they know who is eligible. I have yet to meet my local county commissioner. Worthless bum. I know the guy who drives the county's front end loader better than I do the local pols.

I don't need a stupid ID. I know who I am. And I'm not a bloody cow.


14 posted on 02/19/2005 6:51:36 AM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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WSJ editorial board has a few too many libertarians "rights" maniacs.
37 posted on 02/19/2005 8:21:08 AM PST by aculeus
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Require national ID cards and the left will soon find uses for them in order to control citizens.

The place to stop illegals is at the border.


42 posted on 02/19/2005 8:33:43 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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A few thoughts:
56 posted on 02/19/2005 8:51:45 AM PST by Dilbert56
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bump


63 posted on 02/19/2005 8:59:52 AM PST by P_A_I
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Frankly I don't like parts of this Real ID act.

It's amazing how many people are ready to approve this without thinking the whole thing out.

Now what if the House had mandated that we all have a Bar code tattooed on our forearms so that the Government can just scan us, catalog us,etc. or even better we will be mandated to have an electronic chip placed under out skin.
The question is at what point do you say no?

Did everyone miss the part of the RFID chip in the License to track it or did that just pass over your heads?

I think there are better ways to deal with the Illegals and the Terrorist threat with the existing laws we have with some refinement.

As Conservatives we should be the ones opposing intrusions like this not supporting them. Smaller Government, well here we are creating yet another bureaucracy and to track it's own citizens even better than we are right now.
I expect this stuff from Liberals rather than Conservatives.

Who wins with this kind of legislation, Terrorists do, by forcing our open society to become more closed and regulated. By trying to protect the rights and freedoms we have, we have to lose more of them to fight the terrorists. Kind on an interesting Conundrum isn't it?


68 posted on 02/19/2005 9:17:11 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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Databases contain Information.

Information is Knowledge.

Knowledge is Power.

Power Corrupts.


70 posted on 02/19/2005 9:21:39 AM PST by Age of Reason
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I think everyone should stick to discussing the issue at hand...the WSJ article, and federal requirements on state licenses.

Dont let yourselves be drawn into an personal exchange whereby the subject of the thread gets steered into a discussion of an individual poster and whether they are racist, a Nazi, etc.

This is a TACTIC some posters are using on FR. People go on these types of threads, and try to direct the discussion away from the pertinent issue to a personal slugfest.


82 posted on 02/19/2005 9:59:08 AM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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It is amazing many of the same people who are opposed to federal standards for driver's licenses also oppose states issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens.
83 posted on 02/19/2005 9:59:52 AM PST by magellan ( by)
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