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Wall St. Journal (Again) Hates Real ID Act

Posted on 02/19/2005 6:06:09 AM PST by ncphinsfan

Republicans swept to power in Congress 10 years ago championing state prerogatives, and one of their first acts was to repeal federal speed-limit requirements. Another was aimed at ending unfunded state mandates. So last week's House vote to require costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses is a measure of how far the party has strayed from these federalist principles.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: nationalid; realidact
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1 posted on 02/19/2005 6:06:10 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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To: ncjetsfan

Wall St. Journal editorial board appears to be drifting near the edge.


2 posted on 02/19/2005 6:07:36 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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3 posted on 02/19/2005 6:08:56 AM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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So last week's House vote to require costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses is a measure of how far the party has strayed from these federalist principles.

Dear WSJ: Like it or not, state driver's licenses are the primary form of ID used for air travel and other activity used by past terrorists. States such as Utah were creating a massive security gap with their drivers' license issuance policy. So untwist your knickers and smell the coffee...

4 posted on 02/19/2005 6:09:52 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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WSJ's editorial board is fixated on open borders and uninterrupted immigration, illegal or legal. Consequently it opposes any legislation that restricts the free movement of illegals.
5 posted on 02/19/2005 6:12:59 AM PST by conservativehistorian (.)
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Oh give me a break, this has nothing to do with federalist principles as far as the WSJ is concerned. They are being disingenous. It's all about any attempt to impede the cheap labor they've been relentlessly defending for years.


6 posted on 02/19/2005 6:13:52 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ncjetsfan; Miss Marple

Is this another unsigned editorial?

This bs makes one wonder if Al Hunt really left the WSJ, or he is still there as the unnamed editor.


7 posted on 02/19/2005 6:18:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I forgot to post the link to the article which is in Opinionjournal.com this morning. Sorry. It's my first time to try to post an article. I'm now reading the tutorial which explains how to post.
Thank you.


8 posted on 02/19/2005 6:19:40 AM PST by ncphinsfan
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So what is the solution? Continue with the status quo where each State adopts inconsistent and conflicting policies regarding acceptable ID, bestowal of driving privileges, authentication of voting eligibility, etc., etc.? Unfortunately, IMO this is a proper role for the Feds - Establishing a Standard for something the crosses between all States boundaries.
9 posted on 02/19/2005 6:20:15 AM PST by drt1
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costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses

No one needs to read the rest of it.

Only 10 states don't require a "proof of presence" test for DLs. Virginia imposed more stringent regs shortly after 9/11, and the final "proof of presence" component went into effect Jan. 2004. It merely requires that the applicant provide a U.S. birth certificate, naturalization docs, a passport, or foreign passport with valid visa. For local residence, a utility bill or bank statement.

Hardly what anyone in their right mind would call "intrusive."

As for the allegation that it's so "costly", the only costs are for personnel to look at and validate the required documents. I did see one estimate that costs were projected to be $20 million over 5 years, which even conservatively is only $400,000 per year, per state. That's perhaps 8 extra man-years per state to check docs (for you sticklers, a 5 minute document check would mean those 8 people could check 200,000 new DL or ID applications per year, per state).

The WSJ is absolutely nuts and completely disingenuous on this issue.

10 posted on 02/19/2005 6:22:43 AM PST by angkor
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No need to read the rest of it anyway being from the WSJ lol. But I wouldn't worry about it, you'll get the hang of it soon enough.


11 posted on 02/19/2005 6:30:20 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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Simply have a place for a red line to indicate that the license was obtained without federally approved ID

The thin red line soution leaves the states in charge of deciding how they want to handle driver's licenses.

12 posted on 02/19/2005 6:46:14 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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"all of the hijackers entered the U.S. legally, which means they qualified for drivers licenses. The Real ID Act wouldn't change that. Moreover, you don't need a driver's license to fly. Other forms of identification--such as a passport--are acceptable and also were available to the hijackers. Nothing in the Sensenbrenner bill would change that, either. "

The people behind this ID bill don't care about terrorists, they're simply playing to the anti-immigrant crowd who want to make it more difficult for immigrants to compete in the job market.

What the anti-immigrants who can't keep a job don't realize is that they are their own worse enemies, not the immigrants. Most employers would rather close their business than hire the type of whining insecure malcontents that we see populating the immigration threads on FR.

13 posted on 02/19/2005 6:49:09 AM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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The solution for terrorism is to carry arms anywhere at any time.

As for voting, stamp the voters forehead with indelible ink "I Voted!" As for verification of citizenship, get these lazy-ass bureaucrats and politicians out into the community knocking on doors meeting citizens so they know who is eligible. I have yet to meet my local county commissioner. Worthless bum. I know the guy who drives the county's front end loader better than I do the local pols.

I don't need a stupid ID. I know who I am. And I'm not a bloody cow.


14 posted on 02/19/2005 6:51:36 AM PST by sergeantdave (Smart growth is Marxist insects agitating for a collective hive.)
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shaking my head....


15 posted on 02/19/2005 6:51:36 AM PST by dakine
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Most employers would rather close their business than hire the type of whining insecure malcontents that we see populating the immigration threads on FR.

You really should stop talking about yourself bayourod, conceit is so unseemly.

16 posted on 02/19/2005 6:53:39 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: angkor
"The WSJ is absolutely nuts and completely disingenuous on this issue.

The WSJ that was passing on the opinions of others, ie.."governors, state legislatures and motor vehicle departments have denounced the bill as expensive and burdensome,

17 posted on 02/19/2005 6:56:48 AM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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To: From many - one.; dirtboy; sergeantdave
IMO this argument is almost moot. We don't object to standards for food, drugs, environment, labor and safety regulation, intra State Commerce and a host of other matters that extend beyond individual State boundaries yet the imposition of a standard for verifying the true and legal identity of an individual in a matter that clearly cross State lines is strenuously opposed by some.

I ask why in the full recognition of the validity of all of these other areas of Federal regulation. IMO this is another area that warrants the establishment of a uniform and effective standard and from, where I see it, the Federal Government is the only entity in a position to ensure that necessary standards are developed and enforced. What is the real rationale for opposition to this initiative?

18 posted on 02/19/2005 7:02:16 AM PST by drt1
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What is the real rationale for opposition to this initiative?

Keeping it easy for shady employers to keep hiring illegals, IMO.

19 posted on 02/19/2005 7:03:51 AM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
" It's all about any attempt to impede the cheap labor "

That's right, it has nothing to do with security. It's just about protecting big labor unions from competition while appeasing the people who don't like Mexicans.

20 posted on 02/19/2005 7:07:54 AM PST by bayourod ("It's for the children" has been replaced by "It's to fight terrorists.")
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