[ValenB4]

I don't have a problem with the philosophic idea of ID. It may be that that is really the case. However, ID does not qualify for the realm of science. There's no way to measure, quantify, perceive, or observe design. Everything we interpret is a subjective experience, but the universe is uncaring as to what we perceive, whether we're right or not.

There are many times where scientific ideas affect ethics and how we philosophically interpret the world. Those are matters pertaining to the humanities. Such an example would be the existance of the atomic bomb - when to consider using it, the morality of using it, the policy of first strike. Those are ethical matters. But those ethical matters do not affect the physics of how atomic bombs work.

The same is true for evolution. Evolution is accepted by the field of biology. How we human beings treat each other should not be based upon evolution's validity. Morality has existed before, exists now, and will continue to exist.

What is going on is that many good people who do not have the training in the biological sciences are afraid of evolution because they perceive it to be an assault on their worldview. And there is some truth to that because there are elements on the left hostile to religion and tradition who want to use it to erode those ideas.

Unfortunately, there is a movement afoot that is trying to impose a non-scientific idea, ID, onto science. In no other academic field would it be considered acceptable for outsiders to dictate to the trained professional insiders how to shape their curriculum. But the IDers are trying to do so. So long as scientists and biology teachers continue to oppose ID, those efforts will inevitable fail. There can be no other outcome. If one independent group of study, in this case biology in America, can be coerced into teaching something it doesn't believe in, then academic freedom is threatened for other groups as well.

[jpsb]

"There's no way to measure, quantify, perceive, or observe design."

good point, I'll have to think about that. I also think you are right about the left using evolution to assault the moral foundation of the right. That is the real crime cause as you point out most of us have no problem believing in ID as an unprovable truth. Personally evolution does not shake my faith. I think there is lots more going on then we know but certainly science should be free to dig in and try to figure it all out. And what ever the latest and greatest is should be shared with our kids as part of their education.