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National ID cards on the way?
News.com ^ | February 14, 2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 02/17/2005 4:37:22 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A recent vote in Congress endorsing standardized, electronically readable driver's licenses has raised fears about whether the proposal would usher in what amounts to a national ID card.

In a vote that largely divided along party lines, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a Republican-backed measure that would compel states to design their driver's licenses by 2008 to comply with federal antiterrorist standards. Federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to everything from airplanes to national parks and some courthouses.

The congressional maneuvering takes place as governments are growing more interested in implanting technology in ID cards to make them smarter and more secure. The U.S. State Department soon will begin issuing passports with radio frequency identification, or RFID, chips embedded in them, and Virginia may become the first state to glue RFID tags into all its driver's licenses.

"Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary," Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, one of the eight Republicans to object to the measure, said during the floor debate this week. "However, any state that opts out will automatically make nonpersons out of its citizens. They will not be able to fly or to take a train."

Paul warned that the legislation, called the Real ID Act, gives unfettered authority to the Department of Homeland Security to design state ID cards and driver's licenses. Among the possibilities: biometric information such as retinal scans, fingerprints, DNA data and RFID tracking technology.

Proponents of the Real ID Act say it adheres to the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and is needed to frustrate both terrorists and illegal immigrants. Only a portion of the legislation regulates ID cards; the rest deals with immigration law and asylum requests. "American citizens have the right to know who is in their country, that people are who they say they are, and that the name on the driver's license is the real holder's name, not some alias," F. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., said last week.

"If these commonsense reforms had been in place in 2001, they would have hindered the efforts of the 9/11 terrorists, and they will go a long way toward helping us prevent another tragedy like 9/11," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

Now the Real ID Act heads to the Senate, where its future is less certain. Senate rules make it easier for politicians to derail legislation, and an aide said Friday that Sen. Patrick Leahy, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, was concerned about portions of the bill.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on a terrorism subcommittee, said "I basically support the thrust of the bill" in an e-mail to CNET News.com on Friday. "The federal government should have the ability to issue standards that all driver's licenses and identification documents should meet."

"Spy-D" cards?
National ID cards are nothing new, of course. Many European, Asian and South American countries require their citizens to carry such documents at all times, with legal punishments in place for people caught without them. Other nations that share the English common law tradition, including Australia and New Zealand, have rejected such schemes.

A host of political, cultural and even religious concerns has prevented a national ID from being adopted in the United States, even during the tumultuous days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that ushered in the Patriot Act.

Conservatives and libertarians typically argue that a national ID card will increase the power of the government, and they fear the dehumanizing effects of laws enacted as a result. Civil liberties groups tend to worry about the administrative problems, the opportunities for criminal mischief, and the potential irreversibility of such a system.

Some evangelical Christians have likened such a proposal to language in the Bible warning "that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." That mark is the sign of the "end times," according to evangelical thinking, which predicts that anyone who accepts the mark will be doomed to eternal torment.

Those long-standing concerns have become more pointed recently, thanks to the opportunity for greater tracking--as well as potentially greater security for ID documents--that technologies such as RFID provide. Though the Real ID act does not specify RFID or biometric technology, it requires that the Department of Homeland Security adopt "machine-readable technology" standards and provides broad discretion in how to do it.

An ad hoc alliance of privacy groups and technologists recently has been fighting proposals from the International Civil Aviation Organization to require that passports and other travel documents be outfitted with biometrics and remotely readable RFID-type "contact-less integrated circuits."

The ICAO, a United Nations organization, argues the measures are necessary to reduce fraud, combat terrorism and improve airline security. But its critics have raised questions about how the technology could be misused by identity thieves with RFID readers, and they say it would "promote irresponsible national behavior."

In the United States, the federal government is planning to embed RFID chips in all U.S. passports and some foreign visitor's documents. The U.S. State Department is now evaluating so-called e-passport technology from eight different companies. The agency plans to select a supplier and issue the first e-passports this spring, starting in Los Angeles, and predicts that all U.S. passport agencies will be issuing them within a year.

The high-tech passports are supposed to deter theft and forgeries, as well as accelerate immigration checks at airports and borders. They'll contain within their covers a miniscule microchip that stores basic data, including the passport holder's name, date of birth and place of birth. The chip, which can transmit information through a tiny included antenna, also has enough room to store biometric data such as digitized fingerprints, photographs and iris scans.

Border officials can compare the information on the chip to that on the rest of the passport and to the person actually carrying it. Discrepancies could signal foul play.

In a separate program, the Department of Homeland Security plans to issue RFID devices to foreign visitors that enter the country at the Mexican and Canadian borders. The agency plans to start a yearlong test of the technology in July at checkpoints in Arizona, New York and Washington state.

The idea is to aid immigration officials in tracking visitors' arrivals and departures and snare those who overstay their visas. Similar to e-passports, the new system should speed up inspection procedures. It's part of the US-VISIT program, a federal initiative designed to capture and share data such as fingerprints and photographs of foreign visitors.

A "Trojan horse"
The legislation approved by the House last Thursday follows a related measure President Bush signed into law in December. That law gives the Transportation Department two years to devise standard rules for state licenses, requires information to be stored in "machine-readable" format, and says noncompliant ID cards won't be accepted by federal agencies.

But critics fret that the new bill goes even further. It shifts authority to the Department of Homeland Security, imposes more requirements for identity documents on states, and gives the department carte blanche to do nearly anything else "to protect the national security interests of the United States."

"In reality, this bill is a Trojan horse," said Paul, the Republican congressman. "It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: our constitutionally protected liberty."

Unlike last year's measure, the Real ID Act "doesn't even mention the word 'privacy,'" said Marv Johnson, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union.

"What I think the House is planning on doing is attaching this bill to tsunami relief or money to the troops," Johnson says. "When they send it to the Senate, the Senate will have to either fish or cut bait. They can approve it or ask for a conference committee, at which point the House can say 'they're playing games with national security.'"

In response to a question about a national ID card, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters on Friday that "the president supports the legislation that just passed the House." McClellan pointed to a statement from the White House earlier in the week that endorsed it.

Another section of the Real ID Act that has raised alarms is the linking of state Department of Motor Vehicles databases, which was not part of last year's law. Among the information that must be shared: "All data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards" and complete drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions and points on licenses.

Some senators have indicated they may rewrite part of the measure once they begin deliberations.

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., chairman of a terrorism subcommittee, is readying his own bill that will be introduced within a few weeks, spokesman Andrew Wilder said on Friday. "He has been at work on his own version of things," Wilder said. "Senator Kyl does support biometric identifiers."

CNET News.com's Alorie Gilbert contributed to this report.


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Good, in-depth article on the Real ID Act, national ID, and passports.

If you follow the link to the article, there are photos and a sidebar, and some of the words are links to other pages.

1 posted on 02/17/2005 4:37:27 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; aristeides; Askel5; ...

PING!


2 posted on 02/17/2005 4:39:18 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Heritage Foundation Backgrounder on the subject: Federal Standards for State-Issued Identity Cards: A Reasonable Proposal
3 posted on 02/17/2005 4:41:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I used to shake my head in disbelief when I learned that the Soviet Union required domestic passports for travel within their own country.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we require domestic passports for air travel in this country one day.


4 posted on 02/17/2005 4:42:03 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we require domestic passports for air travel in this country one day.

It's called your driver's license. Try to board a plane these days without one (or with one that is expired.)
5 posted on 02/17/2005 4:44:59 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Yo-Yo
"Now, I wouldn't be surprised if we require domestic passports for air travel in this country one day."

Just wait until they start charging you (via this card and Ezy-Pass) to drive and enter another state.

6 posted on 02/17/2005 4:47:34 PM PST by AGreatPer (Warning: Dip and Strip Pizza could cause double dipping.)
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To: All

Ping!!


7 posted on 02/17/2005 4:50:34 PM PST by wartman
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To: kingu

And don't forget your Social Security card...


8 posted on 02/17/2005 4:53:58 PM PST by Zhangliqun (What are intellectuals for but to complexify the obvious?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

great,were being treated like criminals now,f'n wonderful


9 posted on 02/17/2005 4:57:47 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Freakin Patroits.....)
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To: MetalHeadConservative35

I can't understand the reluctance about a national ID card. Any piece of ID that can help distinguish citizens from illegals can't be a bad thing. Drivers licenses are no longer reliable in this regard--thanks to liberal states and the ease of forging. ID is not necessarily a bad thing--get over it!


10 posted on 02/17/2005 5:04:23 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on a terrorism subcommittee, said "I basically support the thrust of the bill" in an e-mail to CNET News.com on Friday. "The federal government should have the ability to issue standards that all driver's licenses and identification documents should meet."

How can Sen. (Not so)Feinstein justify this statement. This seems like undue hardship on the states. Constitutionality, anyone?


11 posted on 02/17/2005 5:05:06 PM PST by representativerepublic (...from my cold, dead hands...)
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To: Yo-Yo
I'm for the ID card but only if it requires an extensive background search and includes the eye scan....this will seperate the devious and the bewildered from the rest of us who want safety....no freedom compromised.

I already have a top secret clearance and no freedom of mine has been compromised in that endeavor which required an extensive background check....and I am not alone.

I am afraid of the other AH's who are my shipmates on the 747 each time I fly who are willing to play Russian Roulette.

12 posted on 02/17/2005 5:11:36 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: rbg81

I think for many people the issue is not the national ID cards themselves, it's that the mindset that leads to the ID cards can and will lead to more invasive policies.


13 posted on 02/17/2005 5:13:04 PM PST by wartman
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To: AGreatPer
Just wait until they start charging you (via this card and Ezy-Pass) to drive and enter another state.

This is exactly where this is headed -

So many (even conservatives) are willing to sacrifice freedoms after freedoms in the name of security. Sad to watch.

14 posted on 02/17/2005 5:24:46 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
That Eazzy Pass is a very scary product. It makes the National Identity pass look like a state drivers license. Ho-hum.

However, with EP they now have you by the $$$$$$ and all the info that goes with it. The possible list of tolls and taxes is mind boggeling. You watch, some day EP will be required on certain roads, etc. It might even take the place of some credit cards. Heck, it already is.

15 posted on 02/17/2005 6:00:47 PM PST by AGreatPer (Warning: Dip and Strip Pizza could cause double dipping.)
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To: squirt-gun
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1. I have an United States Government ID Card.

2. I do not need a state driver's license for ID.
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16 posted on 02/17/2005 6:03:02 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: squirt-gun
I already have a top secret clearance and no freedom of mine has been compromised in that endeavor which required an extensive background check....and I am not alone.

Seems to me that one problem is that many Americans still tend to feel that the way to be "free" is to be anonymous. That's something perhaps possible as little as 50 years ago, but in a modern society earning a wage, buying a house or a car, obtaining medical care and the like unfortunately guarantees that both private and governmental bodies rapidly build up a pretty comprehensive dossiers on average citizens.

I think we would be better off accepting the reality that we can’t hide important details of our "private lives" and start working hard on controlling who's allowed access to such information, with whom it can be shared, and what those in possession of it are allowed to do with it.

So a "national ID" doesn't much bother me – for starters there's no way to control the employment of illegal immigrants and thus the attractiveness of illegal immigration without it - and I’d rather attempt to control the process of ID issuance and database access by a single Federal government than 50 states.
17 posted on 02/17/2005 6:10:46 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
" Well sir, we've noticed by scanning the database that you have an overdue movie at Blockbuster and we've frozen all your assests until you pay the overdue fee and return the REWOUND tape"
" Well madam, we scanned the database and found that you've chosen to homeschool your children. We'd like to take you to the station for questioning. It's purely voluntary, but if you refuse, we can arrest you for probable cause. "
"Well sir, we've scanned the database and determined that you're political affiliation denies you the right to work in our state. We feel sorry that you were in transit to your new place of employ, and our government services will contact an employment service in a friendly state to help you. Because of budgetary concerns, we cannot provide you funds to tide you over until you find a new job. "
" Your profile notes you as a Christian. We've notified your graduate advisor that you cannot possibly be inclined to continue your studies in the sciences. You'll have to go through another 4 years for another field. So sorry. "
" From your profile, we are to escort you to a community that will ensure your safety from the general population. Law requires us to inform you that this is only a temporary measure, and as soon as things are settled, you can return to your normal contribution to society. "
18 posted on 02/17/2005 6:23:05 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: representativerepublic

Interstate commerce, I believe, would be the general argument. Truck drivers, who engage in interstate transfer of goods, are licensed by the states, thus the federal government has interest in how the states issue driver's licenses. ID forms are also used to verify voter eligibility, getting into the federal election law there.

Not a constitutional scholar, but that would be my thoughts on how you'd get there.


19 posted on 02/17/2005 8:04:41 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
" So a "national ID" doesn't much bother me – for starters there's no way to control the employment of illegal immigrants and thus the attractiveness of illegal immigration without it - and I’d rather attempt to control the process of ID issuance and database access by a single Federal government than 50 states."

How about access my Canada & Mexico? Rep. Ron Paul has stated the following:

"This bill establishes a huge, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical and possibly other characteristics. The bill even provides for this sensitive information of American citizens to be shared with Canada and Mexico! Imagine a corrupt Mexican official selling thousands of identity files, including Social Security numbers, to criminals!".

For US Rep. Paul's full statement:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342969/posts

20 posted on 02/17/2005 8:04:44 PM PST by Rabble (Fonda & Kerry -- Hanoi's Stooges and America's Traitors.......)
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